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To: Aliska
My sense is that we covertly agitated in the western Ukraine to get the legitimately elected president removed and who knows what else?

Your sense would be wrong for a number of reasons. First, there's no evidence that we "covertly" agitated anything, despite constant claims by the Alex Jones and Ron Paul types; next, your "legitimately elected president" was having people picked up and tortured by the Berkut and then, when things started to heat up, had people shot. Did we make him do that? There is plenty of blame to go around and why can't we mind our own business?

What the hell are we even doing that ticks you guys off so much anyway? The Ukrainians will be lucky they aren't half drowned in their own blood before Obozo gets off the golf course.

25 posted on 07/19/2014 7:47:33 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
So claims the Boston Globe, broadly the Guardian, Kucinich in newsmax, none of which are our favorites. forbes, I like them. The other sources were Russian and ones I wouldn't trust.

It came up way back in June when my sister visited; she is well versed in foreign policy, I said what I suspected and she agreed. Many talking about a proxy war, main characters would be us and Russia.

Did we make Yankovitch or whatever his name is do it, no, wasn't sure who was a thug. Seems like they all are.

What are we doing that ticks me off? Egypt, Lybia, I think maybe the public stopped them just in time not to go into Syria on the rebels' side, 90% against.

So it's hard to keep track of, admit to looking at Alex but I can tell ahead of time the position he will take on any given matter.

So maybe you are better versed in the sequence of events in Ukraine, but it's not wrong of me to wish that our relations with Russia hadn't turned so sour. First it was Obama will have more flexibility on nukes, open mike, shocking, he's wanting to emasculate our services and fired a whole lot of nuke experts for something that didn't sound too egregious especially compared with just a tiny fraction of what he has done.

Then he got into a pissin' contest with Putin because Putin showed him up on Syria I think it was. Yes, I remembered, and it was the chemical weapons Putin brokered the deal on. I'm mad that our relations had to deteriorate to this point.

And Putin has watched us blunder all over the Middle East and most importantly has not forgotten our role in nearly bankrupting them before.

It's not going away now. Putin may feel like the Ukraine was given away not that long ago which was once the very heart and soul of Russia. He grabbed for the Crimea, and now we don't know how far he will go or how much he is doing because we have major antagonized him, childishly I might add.

27 posted on 07/19/2014 8:33:48 PM PDT by Aliska
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