Posted on 07/19/2014 6:21:55 AM PDT by Renfield
You’re on to us. /s
Hang on while I find a blog that is "mostly correct." LOL
You cannot even remember what you typed. You claimed this persons blog evidence was getting ripped to shreds here. Right after someone claimed it was toilet paper. That is your lack of grip.
Okay. Think I have a grip on your position. You were not stating it was toilet paper, even though you stated it was toilet paper and defended that it could be toilet paper. Think I follow you now. Have a nice life.
Any word on who develops this 100+ft long, 30+ft wide “chaff?”
Time is never correct. We conservatives figured that out some 20 years ago. That is why the paper mag is dead and buried.
That is not chaff in the video. It is burning debris falling down around the wrecked heavier parts. No way chaff descends that fast. Defeats the purpose. Try this:
http://wx.db.erau.edu/faculty/mullerb/Wx365/Chaff/chaff.html
You stated: “The Ukraine coup [sic] government declared the Russian language illegal. How could the 5 million ethnic Russian separatists declare lawful war when their language was illegal?”
In what way can what you previously stated be reconciled with what actually happened? First, the Russian language was never declared illegal. Second, the law if passed, would have simply stated that Ukrainian (as it had been for most of the time since independence) would be the only official language. Third, the law was never actually enacted.
What you previously claimed was that the Ukrainian government made the Russia language illegal. This is a complete falsehood. I really fail to see why you even bother to argue otherwise, although I do realize that for many of the Putin trolls here, this is the only basis they have to justify the mass murder that Putin is currently perpetrating in eastern Ukraine. Still, given the West’s weak reaction up to now, it is likely that thousands more will die to feed Putin’s ego and the mindless neo-Soviets that keep coming out of the woodwork.
Bottom line is the Ukraine military should have been escorting what is know in the trade as a VIP flight when forced to travel through hostile territory. Airline crews and the airlines themselves are made aware of important people on board flights. And one of the top aids scientist in the world would be acknowledged as a VIP. So you wont even acknowledge that their was motive to escort a VIP flight through hostile territory ?
Russian language would have even still stayed on government documents even if there were no veto by interim president. Canceling 2012 change to language law would have just returned the law to how things were for decades before. Russia used extreme propaganda to misrepresent everything that was happening including what the language would have meant.
Russian propaganda has regrettably gotten very effective lately and sadly you seem to have been targeted by a lot of their lies about Ukraine and have chosen to believe them.
there is no way to vet the source, have to ignore it
Because they revolted due to the intent of the illegal coup government. If they had not revolted, it would have been illegal to use Russian in official government documents. So it might as well have been. You cannot claim that a rebellion against an illegal government, has to make a legal declaration with the government of their intent to revolt. So no illegal war here. Just a rebellion against an illegal coup government that was trying to force 5 million of its people to use a different language. Fairly straight forward. No need for chaff.
The issue is not what freepers think. Unless they live within the Ukraine. The issue is what the people revolting thought. So the claim that this was an illegal war is neutered by the claim this was an illegal coup government. Both sides have been misled by leaders. That is a given.
So, then why did they kill approximately 300 innocent people, including children and infants? And, why are we hearing that the bodies and personal effects were looted and disrespected?
These people have been treated as exactly that - chaff.
There was a guy who posted earlier who said it was toilet paper :)
And both were incorrect.
Absolutely true. The same goes for Kiev.
The shootdown was organized by U.S. intelligence (or some proxy) in order to embarrass Russia and turn international public opinion against Russia and its allies;
Even if the Regime were that evil, that would be a difficult feat to pull off without getting caught. You can spin such whackjob nonsense in retrospect all you want, but a priori, there are far too many things that could go wrong.
Yulia Timoshenko, or persons allied to her, arranged the shootdown in order to embarrass the current Ukrainian president, with an eye to regaining the presidency.
Guano. When it was shot down, the plane had already flown over most of Ukraine (about 700 miles). Obviously, if it had been a plot to embarrass the Kiev government, the plane would have been shot down over unambiguous Kiev territory. And, again, difficult to pull off without getting caught.
“Russian language would have even still stayed on government documents even if there were no veto by interim president. “
What you are saying is not true at all.
Russian had official status in 13 provinces, repealing the laws official status would have disallowed its use in official government documents.
The only exception would be Crimea with its special autonomous status in Ukraine, and official russian language written into their constitution, but now that’s not an issue it seems.
Ukraine had both Ukrainian and Russian as official languages in the soviet years.
There are large numbers of people who only speak Russian in Ukraine.
Given the rebels don't have an air force, what would be the point of giving the airliner a military escort?
A truck-mounted Buk battery has four missiles. Even if one of the escort fighters survives, he's not going to bother you unless he has a nuke.
Separatist revolutions become lawful only when they are successful. Ask Mr Franklin.
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