Canadian on downed Malaysian airliner [Also Australian, British, German, Belgian and others.]

Reuters, Toronto Sun ^ | Thursday, July 17, 2014 | Anton Zverev

[free_life]

Harper has the balls but not the military capabilities to do much about it.

Hopefully the pressure will mount for Germany to squeeze Russia now. It would not take long to break Russia economically and thus disappear Putin, if there was the will do it.

[Squawk 8888]

To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

[Squawk 8888]

I’m not so sure Russia’s behind it- Putin’s too smart to create the blowback that would ensue. The more likely scenario is that one of his proxies went off the reservation.

[Candor7]

This is an “Act of War.”

Putin’s Ukrainian apparatchuks are out of control.

Pooty is now looking over his shoulder, and its time to hit him hard, but Obama will have nothing to do with that....Obamawamma is still bending ovah.

[Candor7]

The more likely scenario is that one of his proxies went off the reservation.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Under international law, Pooty is still responsible for an act of war against Malaysia, whether his proxy or his dog did it.

[Squawk 8888]

I agree that he’s responsible, but I doubt he would have authorized it. Still, he should have known better than to arm those idiots so well.

[Monty22002]

The first part of that is not the 777, notice it has 4 engines. It’s an older video of a transport 747. I don’t know about the rest.

[caww]

Are you certain Monty? I'm not that familiar with planes...but the impact explosion looked similar to the other video taken by the miners.

[Monty22002]

I’m positive. I’ve seen that video before and it’s a 747 for sure. The rest of it may be legit, but that crash scene at the start is not from the latest incident.

[caww]

Might very well be more of the stuff people are putting together to make it appear as something it’s not ....won’t be the first time we’ve been dubbed to think something is one way when in fact discovered otherwise later on. Governments do that so much and then wonder why they aren’t trusted...same with the media.

[Monty22002]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sUWC2jfjqI

That’s the proof: Published on Apr 30, 2013

[caww]

Thanks so much for clarifying that....good work!

[ExCTCitizen]

This is an act of war...

[familyop]

"It seems that up to 100 of these people were heading to Melbourne for an International Aids Conference."

Thanks for the interesting info. So to recap the chain of probabilities,...

1. Russia, pining for empire again, tries to expand into Ukraine while issuing propaganda from the Mother Church of Russia (Eastern Orthodox, appeal to religious folks in other nations): the most established controlled religion of the Soviet Union.

2. Advisor-commanders (something like special forces, teachers) are equipped with surface-to-air missiles among other things.

3. A guerrilla unit of one such commander, believing that it saw a Ukrainian aircraft, shot a friendly Malaysian civilian airliner down. There go relations between Malaysia and Russia on that one.

4. ISIS has already been running amock as planned and messing up Russia's designs with Iran and Syria on desired southern ports (including Israel) and further extended influence (also clouded by religious propaganda concerning anti-Israel, anti-western non-Muslim factions in Syria).

Chaos reigns and slows Iran's nuclear weapons buildup. Iran (infantry/engineers) and Russia (special forces) are participating against ISIS.

The Russia-Iran-Syria-NKorea-other axis goes more mad. Little aside here before resuming more down-to-earth, loose analysis.

Gog (a leader of Meshech and Tubal)
The land of Magog (son of Japeth, descendants)
Meshech (son of Japeth, descendants of a tribe)
Tubal (son of Japeth, descendants of a tribe)
Persia (Japeth mainly, some of Ham, descendants)
Cush (son of Ham, descendants)
Put (son of Ham, descendants)
Gomer (descendants)
Togarmah (son of Gomer, son of Japeth, descendants including those in the north)

Many of Iberian descent (probably of Rome/Carthage during the Roman Empire, later, after migrating from an area of Turkey as other tribes did) are descended from some of those figures (southern Europe, spread up through the Balkans, Russia and even some to the U.S.A over time). And not only of Iberian descent but others also. Finding general movements of descendants is a long and difficult task. They’re all over the world.

Most people are descendants to various degrees of most of the figures mentioned above. Is some balance of heritage in each person important maybe? Or philosophies/customs of various nations in the present? Who knows. But most likely, most of the nations of the world will be opposed to Israel. Most of them are and have been so for a long time.

Also meanwhile, we may be heading into an extended solar minimum (low solar activity, temperature fluctuations, mainly toward cold), a possible magnetic polar flip (magnetic polar deviations continuing more quickly, weather patterns moving into unusual areas, possible increases of seismic and mantle activities ahead, economic consequences of trade/regulatory policies), frenzy to keep oil supplies above consumption, rules soon ahead in the States to control masses against runs on resources like wood.

Pushes for vegetarianism, meat prices already rising (drought, demand from global market). There are hundreds of millions of potential new vehicle drivers in developing countries (oil consumption). Nations maneuver for oil supplies in expectations of high intensity conflicts.

Western nations are not manufacturing enough real wealth, and new inventions and modifications are prevented by regulations against common individuals starting small building projects, manufacturing operations, etc. It's a dump-on-your-neighbor regime of exaggerated/pretending sensitivities about appearances and unrealistic desires for real estate prices.

Meanwhile again, fictional productions and unrealistic/immoral preparations for the end of the world as we know it are all the rage in media, while a few scattered, more technically inclined Americans, Europeans and others redesign and build alternative energy personal/family facilities that use less resources. Many governments at various levels have already had alternative energy facilities and hardened, elaborate communications/surveillance facilities installed while stocking up on vehicles.

In sum, even if the earth itself doesn't get very inhospitable (while likely to do so in normal, periodical events), hysterical and/or oddly motivated, immoral people will accomplish some disasters anyway.

[melsec]

Yep that pretty much nails it other than the fact that the EU and US have been agitating behind all of this. It seems like they are no longer willing to get involved in wars but they are happy to agitate situations and see what happens - good luck to them in staying out of it!

[knighthawk]

The number of Dutch people is at 194. The first of these were flown in yesterday and today. I work near the airport Eindhoven, lost of people gathered to give them a last farewell.

[familyop]

Thank you for the report. I hope that the new Russian expansionism will be stopped. Too many have suffered during the many years.