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To: brothers4thID
Btw. what was the UTC time of shoot down being reported by Kiev Junta?

How it relates to the actual time of the airliner going down?

850 posted on 07/18/2014 5:52:47 PM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA
True or false statement?

Robert Mark, a commercial pilot who edits Aviation International News Safety magazine, said that most Malaysia Airlines flights from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur normally travelled along a route significantly further south than the plane which crashed. Malaysia Airlines has insisted its plane travelled on an "approved route" used by many other carriers. But Mr Mark said: "I can only tell you as a commercial pilot myself that if we had been routed that way, with what's been going on in the Ukraine and the Russian border over the last few weeks and months, I would never have accepted that route. "I went into the FlightAware system, which we all use these days to see where airplanes started and where they tracked, and I looked back at the last two weeks' worth of MH17 flights, which was this one. "And the flight today tracked very, very much further north into the Ukraine than the other previous flights did ... there were MH17 versions that were 300 miles south of where this one was."

If this is true, it means that Kiev ATC deliberately sent KH17 on a different route that day.

The question is : WHY?

Possible answer: Because Junta's SAMs were waiting ready to fire in this area.

The narrow window to launch SA-11 on unusual route suggests that the changed route was known to the launch site. Did KIEV ATC announced it to "rebels"? Not very likely.

When Ukraine shot down Siberia Airlines 1812 flying from Tel Aviv, it took them months to confess Ukraine did it.

When KH17 was shot down, Junta "knew" after .... minutes it was done by the rebels who unlike Junta do not have the operational SAM batteries in the area.

Any LEO would smell something fishy here.

It is not who is accused, but who gained from the crime.

853 posted on 07/19/2014 12:20:57 PM PDT by DTA
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To: brothers4thID
TEN QUESTIONS Ruskies asked THE UKRAINIAN AUTHORITIES:

1. Immediately after the tragedy, the Ukrainian authorities, naturally, blamed it on the self-defense forces. What are these accusations based on?

2. Can Kiev explain in detail how it uses Buk missile launchers in the conflict zone? And why were these systems deployed there in the first place, seeing as the self-defense forces don’t have any planes?

3. Why are the Ukrainian authorities not doing anything to set up an international commission? When will such a commission begin its work?

4. Would the Ukrainian Armed Forces be willing to let international investigators see the inventory of their air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles, including those used in SAM launchers?

5. Will the international commission have access to tracking data from reliable sources regarding the movements of Ukrainian warplanes on the day of the tragedy?

6. Why did Ukrainian air traffic controllers allow the plane to deviate from the regular route to the north, towards “the anti-terrorist operation zone”?

7. Why was airspace over the warzone not closed for civilian flights, especially since the area was not entirely covered by radar navigation systems?

8. How can official Kiev comment on reports in the social media, allegedly by a Spanish air traffic controller who works in Ukraine, that there were two Ukrainian military planes flying alongside the Boeing 777 over Ukrainian territory?

9. Why did Ukraine’s Security Service start working with the recordings of communications between Ukrainian air traffic controllers and the Boeing crew and with the data storage systems from Ukrainian radars without waiting for international investigators?

10. What lessons has Ukraine learned from a similar incident in 2001, when a Russian Tu-154 crashed into the Black Sea? Back then, the Ukrainian authorities denied any involvement on the part of Ukraine’s Armed Forces until irrefutable evidence proved official Kiev to be guilty.

I'd love to hear response to #9.

854 posted on 07/19/2014 12:40:51 PM PDT by DTA
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