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1 posted on 07/15/2014 3:53:28 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Similar to the F-20 Tigershark debate of the 1980s.


2 posted on 07/15/2014 3:55:55 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Looks slow.


3 posted on 07/15/2014 3:58:12 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

PPG Industries — formerly Pittsburgh Paint and Glass, IIRC

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=PPG


4 posted on 07/15/2014 3:58:19 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Since when is the cost of an F35 only $60 million? Don’t know what the final numbers will be, but all the estimates I have seen are much hire than that.


6 posted on 07/15/2014 4:09:37 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The F-35, costing three times as much... BS try at least 6 times as much at around $150M each to date and $350B over budget to date.

GAO Report to Congress March 2014:

To execute the program as planned, the Department of sefense (DOD) will have to increase funds steeply over the next 5 years and sustain an average of $12.6 billion per year through 2037; for several years, funding requirements will peak at around $15 billion. Annual funding of this magnitude clearly poses long-term affordability risks
given the current fiscal environment. The program has been
directed to reduce unit costs to meet established affordability targets before full-rate production begins in 2019, but meeting those targets will be challenging as
significant cost reductions are needed. Additionally, the most recent cost estimate for operating and supporting the
F-35 fleet is more than $1 trillion, which DOD officials have deemed unaffordable.

This estimate reflects assumptions about key cost drivers the program can control, like aircraft reliability, and those it cannot control, including fuel costs, labor costs, and inflation rates. Reliability is lower than expected for two variants, and DOT&E reports that the F-35 program has limited additional opportunities to improve reliability.


10 posted on 07/15/2014 4:27:46 PM PDT by maddog55
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I think a CitationX is faster than this thing.


11 posted on 07/15/2014 4:32:08 PM PDT by Bobalu (Israel is the most long-suffering and peace loving nation on Earth.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Any individual vehicle should take a competent company no longer than 24 months to a first working prototype. Kelly Johnson managed it with the U2 and the SR-71. The thing he did was not allow the military to diddle with it. Every colonel who comes along suddenly adds cost by saying, “well, I want it to do x also.” They always say this when X means a complete redesign.

The more companies you put into the decision process the longer it becomes. I worked on Future Combat Systems and there were two “integrator of integrators.” Neither ever knew what was going on. The project was an expensive failure from every aspect.

The problem is, if the military can’t diddle they don’t want it either. I think the F-20 was an excellent plane. But no sale.

This thing will compete with the Bazillion turbo-prop fighters.


12 posted on 07/15/2014 4:48:24 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: sukhoi-30mki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textron_AirLand_Scorpion

Maximum speed of 450kts so it’s slower than an airliner.

6 hardpoints with a total of 6000lb payload so it’s a very light attack aircraft.


15 posted on 07/15/2014 5:26:08 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Looks like an updated Alpha Jet

18 posted on 07/15/2014 5:50:13 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Burt Rutan and Scaled Composites tried a similar aircraft in the 1990s.


19 posted on 07/15/2014 6:08:10 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Everyone should buy lots of these. I am a certified parts supplier on the ground floor.


25 posted on 07/15/2014 7:15:52 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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