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Rich School, Dumb School?
Accuracy in Academia ^ | July 14, 2014 | Gabrielle Okun

Posted on 07/15/2014 6:59:51 AM PDT by Academiadotorg

Although the U. S. spends more than half a trillion dollars on public schools, the Left still believes that raising that amount will somehow make students smarter.

“Total expenditures for public elementary and secondary schools in the United States amounted to $638 billion in 2009-10, or about $12,743 per public school student,” according to the National Center for Education Statistics. “There must be a way to get enough dollars, public dollars to raise student achievement,” Carmel Martin, Executive Vice President for Policy at The Center for American Progress (CAP), said at a recent conference at CAP.

At that same conference, backspace U. S. Rep. Chaka Fattah (D-PA) alleged that, “poor children receive less dollars which continues the cycle of poverty.” Similarly, at CAP, Alice Cain of Teach Plus said that “there is a human element of [our] message to kids to restore allocation” of funds from Title I programs to aid low-income schools. (The Department of Education has been giving out $14 billion in grants per year during the Obama years with another $10 billion thrown in from the 2009 stimulus package.)

Ironically, Ulrich Boser, of CAP, claimed that “low productivity can cost the school system billions,” and found, to his surprise, that the wealthiest school districts had the lowest productivity.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: achievement; education; publicschools; spending
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1 posted on 07/15/2014 6:59:51 AM PDT by Academiadotorg
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To: Academiadotorg

Obviously the schools need even more money and the source is even more obvious, tax the rich.


2 posted on 07/15/2014 7:03:45 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Luke 12;32)
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To: Academiadotorg

This is an issue on which we can’t discuss certain aspects of the problem due to political correctness.

Some of our big city schools systems spend more per capita than the national average. Yet these same schools get some of the worst results. Why? Political correctness forbids a discussion of how black culture disrespects kids who are “acting white” in school, and actually want to learn.

We’re also not allowed to question how much some of these schools spend on “administration”, and not in the classroom.

On this and other issues, we are not allowed by the liberals to discuss the real issues. We can’t discuss how to combat urban ghetto culture which does not place high value on education.


3 posted on 07/15/2014 7:04:27 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: Academiadotorg
“poor children receive less dollars w..."

I guess he went to a public school too. Apparently they don't teach the difference between less and fewer.

4 posted on 07/15/2014 7:06:09 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Urban ghetto culture places more value on ignorance than education.


5 posted on 07/15/2014 7:08:03 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

And this urban ghetto culture will hurt the education of the children there, regardless of how much money we spend on those schools.

That’s a key point. Liberal and activist types constantly urge us to spend more money on schools, saying certain schools need more “resources”, when the reality is that spending will not help. Not when contending with urban ghetto culture.


6 posted on 07/15/2014 7:13:38 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: Academiadotorg
For a quarter million dollars per classroom, all kids should be getting a stellar education already.
No excuses. It's not like we couldn't.
The reason they don't is political, with incompetence and graft thrown in.
IMHO, deliberate liberal claptrap has destroyed our schools.

7 posted on 07/15/2014 7:15:49 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Academiadotorg
Academic culture is totally hostage to the Left. It's theirs. Pumping more money into it is giving raises to teachers that shouldn't be there, administrators that shouldn't be there, aides that shouldn't be there, and increase to supply purchases that shouldn't be there, renovations that shouldn't be there, vehicle purchases that shouldn't be there, pension contributions that never should need to be made, etc., etc.

Of course, they're not going to get any better or make the "scholars" any smarter. Those are the features they have that allows the Left to demand more money for them! It's a continuous, vicious cycle. When parents' kids get through, a whole new crop of parents arrives to be fleeced.

HF

8 posted on 07/15/2014 7:16:37 AM PDT by holden
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To: Academiadotorg

It all adds up to MORE money for teachers who in turn can pay MORE in union dues!

:)


9 posted on 07/15/2014 7:18:55 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: SMARTY

“It all adds up to MORE money for teachers who in turn can pay MORE in union dues!”

Absolutely, and don’t dare expect accountability from teachers! The scam where teachers fund the union which funds their political arm (the Democratic Party) which in turn gets more fund s for the teachers (which results in more dues for the unions, which results in more campaign cash for the Democratic Party...) is evil; public school teachers are enemy agents.


10 posted on 07/15/2014 7:23:07 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Academiadotorg

“At that same conference, U. S. Rep. Chaka Fattah (D-PA) alleged that, “poor children receive less dollars which continues the cycle of poverty.”

Public school teachers in NJ ghettoes make incredible amounts of money; the fact that they don’t bother teaching is irrelevant in terms of the assertion made by “Chaka Fattah”. Here in NJ public school teachers are our upper-middle class; the economy has collapsed because taxpayers have nothing left after providing them with lavish lifestyles and retirements for their 180 six-hour workdays.


11 posted on 07/15/2014 7:26:58 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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Oh yes! Some things NEVER change.

And they wonder why Americans are sick to death of taxes and politicians’ lies!


12 posted on 07/15/2014 7:30:29 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: SMARTY

“And they wonder why Americans are sick to death of taxes and politicians’ lies!”

NJ, as home to among the highest property taxes in the nation, is ground zero for such resentment. Once property tax increases were capped at 2% by Governor Christie, then every time teachers got 4% raises other government programs were cut (including public works, police/fire, etc.). It has really focused a spotlight not just on the ridiculous salaries given to teachers, but also the benefits (including retirement) that is saddling the state with debt.


13 posted on 07/15/2014 7:37:19 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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Pay people to breed, more kids = more students in Public Schools = more money being funneled and siphoned as it races thru the pipeline......all is going according to plan.


14 posted on 07/15/2014 7:46:25 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: kearnyirish2

‘Public school teachers in NJ ghettoes make incredible amounts of money; the fact that they don’t bother teaching is irrelevant in terms of the assertion made by “Chaka Fattah”’

The idea that teachers do not bother to teach is not true, they can not teach. Most are only slightly better educated than their students and that is a very low bar. Education has been dumbed down for generations and if these teachers did want to teach they are simply not capable of it.

Ghetto culture that is said to hinder inner city kids is not limited to the inner city. The attitude is prevalent to some extent in all our public schools. As a student in the late ‘60s I saw it first hand. I call it ghetto think, it has nothing to do with race it has everything to do with attitude. Those students who yearn to learn as I did and still do, are on their own. No matter how many dollars thrown at schools it will never improve. It can’t, teachers who are too ignorant to teach and can not instill a love of knowledge in their children need to go. Course that will never happen.

Home schooling works for some but how many parents that are products of the same crappy system are capable of doing it?


15 posted on 07/15/2014 7:51:50 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: kearnyirish2
It would ALMOST make sense if the kids actually graduated KNOWING something... instead... they are half-wits so dummied down they are unemployable! And it is all over the country.
16 posted on 07/15/2014 7:58:51 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

“The idea that teachers do not bother to teach is not true, they can not teach. Most are only slightly better educated than their students and that is a very low bar. Education has been dumbed down for generations and if these teachers did want to teach they are simply not capable of it.”

I couldn’t agree more; if they can’t teach, why are they paying a kindergarten teacher $82K? There is very much a racial side to this as well (possibly under “culture”); Asians and whites still do much better than some others. Granted, many whites are slipping, but on the whole they are “educable”.


17 posted on 07/15/2014 8:27:58 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: SMARTY

“It would ALMOST make sense if the kids actually graduated KNOWING something... instead... they are half-wits so dummied down they are unemployable! And it is all over the country.”

Absolutely. If your children are not in an honors program, they have been written off. If they are in an honors program, you still have to stay on top of them; nowadays “honors” is just a blanket term for students who bother to do any homework at all.


18 posted on 07/15/2014 8:30:25 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Academiadotorg

There must be a way to get enough dollars, public dollars to raise student achievement,” Carmel Martin, Executive Vice President for Policy at The Center for American Progress (CAP), said at a recent conference at CAP.

Its not the dollar you friggin moron its the crap nonsense that the children are being taught! It makes little sense, is useless in acquiring a good job and is mostly to benefit a left wing political agenda.....


19 posted on 07/15/2014 9:10:44 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: Academiadotorg

School funding has nothing to do with students or quality of education. Follow the money.

taxes -> schools -> unions -> Democrats


20 posted on 07/15/2014 9:20:44 AM PDT by ArcadeQuarters ("Immigration Reform" is ballot stuffing)
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