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1 posted on 07/13/2014 5:19:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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I guess this is the kind of thing you can expect when you pass bills without reading them don’t you think, Nasty Pilgosi?


2 posted on 07/13/2014 5:22:05 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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I wouldn't get my hopes up. How ever the ruling comes down it will go to the SCOTUS. If Roberts was willing to rewrite the law and call the mandate a tax I doubt he will eliminate the subsidies for the 34 states that did not set up state exchanges.

Also, if the subsidies were to get eliminated obama won't agree to repeal the rest of the law. The Rats will then work state by state to push for exchanges to be set up.

3 posted on 07/13/2014 5:29:42 PM PDT by wmfights
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelcannon/2014/07/10/why-one-should-take-timothy-josts-halbig-pronouncements-with-a-grain-of-salt/

Jost “...himself proposed the idea back in 2009, writing that Congress could “offer[] tax subsidies for insurance only in states that complied with federal requirements (as it has done with respect to tax subsidies for health savings accounts).” He liked the idea of using Exchange subsidies as a carrot so much, he even proposed Congress could encourage states to create a “public option” by withholding Exchange subsidies in states that declined: “Tax credits could be offered to subsidize the purchase of insurance, but only in states that implemented a public program.” “

Timothy Jost: a bad liar, but an enthusiastic one.


7 posted on 07/13/2014 5:44:24 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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later


8 posted on 07/13/2014 5:46:50 PM PDT by berdie
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Halbig v Sebelius Oral Arguments Transcript
11 posted on 07/13/2014 5:54:15 PM PDT by PJBankard (You can't fix stupid.)
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5 million enrollees? Typical glib DC media rubbish.


12 posted on 07/13/2014 6:09:56 PM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Ends)
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This is the portion of the statute (PPACA) in question:
   

SEC. 1401(a) In General.--Subpart C of part IV of subchapter A of chapter 1 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to refundable credits) is amended by inserting after section 36A the following new section:

SEC. 36B (a) In General.--In the case of an applicable taxpayer, there shall be allowed 
             as a credit against the tax imposed by this subtitle for any taxable year 
             an amount equal to the premium assistance credit amount of the taxpayer for
             the taxable year.

         (b) Premium Assistance Credit Amount.--For purposes of this section--
        
             (1) In general.-- <> The term `premium assistance 
                 credit amount' means, with respect to any taxable year, the sum 
                 of the premium assistance amounts determined under paragraph (2)
                 with respect to all coverage months of the taxpayer occurring 
                 during the taxable year.
 
             (2) Premium assistance amount.--The premium assistance amount determined
                 under this subsection with respect to any coverage month is the amount
                 equal to the lesser of--

                    ``(A) the monthly premiums for such month for 1 or more 
                          qualified health plans offered in the individual   
                          market within a State which cover the taxpayer, the 
                          taxpayer's spouse, or any dependent (as defined in 
                          section 152) of the taxpayer and which were enrolled in 
                          through an Exchange established by the State under 1311 
                          of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, or

                    ``(B) the excess (if any) of--
                           ``(i) the adjusted monthly premium for such 
                                 month for the applicable second lowest cost silver 
                                 plan with respect to the taxpayer, over
                          ``(ii) an amount equal to 1/12 of the product 
                                 of the applicable percentage and the taxpayer's 
                                 household income for the taxable year.
Analysis & Commentary

36B(b)(2) specifies the premium assistance amount is equal to the lesser of "A" or "B" [that is: the lesser of SEC. 36B(b)(2)(A) or SEC. 36B(b)(2)(B)].

How to you suppose that the premium assistance credit amount of the taxpayer is the lesser of their premium under (A) [explicitly specified as a state exchange under 1311], or (B) [which is claimed includes federal plans]? Is the taxpayer in both a state and federal exchange and whichever is the lesser premium applies?

If the claim that 36B(b)(2)(B) includes federal exchanges is correct, then 36B(b)(2)(A) must also include federal exchanges, something it explicitly does not do. Therefore 36B(b)(2)(B) must necessarily also refer to Exchanges established by the State under 1311, otherwise 36B(b)(2) would be meaningless because a taxpayer can not be enrolled in both a state and federal exchange and whichever is the lesser premium applies.

The PPACA explicitly allows tax credits for state-run exchanges and excludes such credits for federally run exchanges.

>> "Courts do not read statutes by cherry-picking single phrases to defeat the entire purpose of laws," wrote Washington and Lee University Law School Professor Timothy Jost in the Washington Post.

The statute as written expresses Congress' intent. The courts can not read out of the statute clauses and introduce absurdities where non exist just to satisfy what you claim is Congress's intent, Mr. Jost.

14 posted on 07/13/2014 6:58:50 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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"Courts do not read statutes by cherry-picking single phrases to defeat the entire purpose of laws," wrote Washington and Lee University Law School Professor Timothy Jost in the Washington Post.

Like abortion bans, immigration or homosexual marriage bans?

16 posted on 07/13/2014 7:14:58 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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“A ruling could come out on Tuesday”

It was supposed to be Friday originally.


18 posted on 07/13/2014 8:34:56 PM PDT by yorkiemom ( "...if fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." - Ronald Reagan)
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