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To: pieceofthepuzzle
IMHO, both arguments are valid, and are not mutually exclusive

Interesting comment, and probably technically true. I will tell you though, the low pay issue is not what most think it is. It's cultural - our spoiled entry level work force will not perform, they will not show up day after day reliably, and they easily get bored with rote jobs - but these are jobs that need to go on day after week after month after year.

There is also way too little emphasis put on the welfare state's place in this, and too much on the low pay issue - and a total lack of acknowledgement that the low pay issue benefits all consumers as well as businesses. If you can bring home 50% of a full time job salary laying about, many will. Until we let folks go hungry a little, lose their obama phones, their flat screens, there ability to hang out at Starbucks 20 hours a week - they are not going to do the really boring repetitive jobs.

The way to solve this? Secure border. Cut guv benefits to illegals totally, and cut benefit longevity to native born. Do that, and watch this thing unravel on it's on in maybe 2-3 years.

82 posted on 07/12/2014 6:05:59 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
The way to solve this? Secure border. Cut guv benefits to illegals totally, and cut benefit longevity to native born. Do that, and watch this thing unravel on it's on in maybe 2-3 years.

Illegals get most of their benefits thru their US born children who are citizens at birth. Their benefits can't be cut. And the IRS admits to providing over $4 billion a year to illegal aliens in the form of EITC.

You seem to think that there is a huge pool of jobs waiting to be filled. There is a shortage of jobs, not workers. Since 1990 we brought in 29 million legal, permanent immigrants. In addition, we import 640,000 guest workers annually. Do you think this might have an impact on the labor market?

There are currently 61.1 million American men in their prime working years, age 25–54. A staggering 1 in 8 such men are not in the labor force at all, meaning they are neither working nor looking for work. This is an all-time high dating back to when records were first kept in 1955. An additional 2.9 million men are in the labor force but not employed (i.e., they would work if they could find a job). A total of 10.2 million individuals in this cohort, therefore, are not holding jobs in the U.S. economy today. There are also nearly 3 million more men in this age group not working today than there were before the recession began," the Republicans on the Senate Budget Committee claim.

"Although defenders of the current economy attribute shrinking labor force participation to the increasing pace of retirement of the Baby Boomer generation, these new statistics above confirm a trend that Barron’s recently diagnosed: 'The ratio of those over 55 in the workforce actually ticked up'—in other words, older Americans are being forced to return to work in a poor economy to make ends meet while many younger Americans simply aren’t working at all. In short, there is an unprecedented supply of working-age Americans who do not hold jobs."

89 posted on 07/12/2014 7:25:56 AM PDT by kabar
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