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Legal Marijuana Goes on Sale in Washington
CNS News ^ | July 8 2014 | GENE JOHNSON

Posted on 07/08/2014 11:00:17 AM PDT by PoloSec

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To: GeronL

Sympatico except for their ideologies being diametrically opposed right?. L/libertarians have some serious holes in their world view but last I checked they hadn’t started any world wars or committed genocide. Let’s keep things in perspective.


81 posted on 07/08/2014 8:29:52 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

They are the same beast.

Brave New World.


82 posted on 07/08/2014 8:30:37 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Durus

Perpective?

Libertards are one of the lowest forms of scum. I was being nice with “one of”.


83 posted on 07/08/2014 8:32:41 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Durus

Your comments are pithy, but not serious.

I don’t consider your statements intellectually honest based upon the amount of intelligence you present and knowledge you present.

You clearly know how you are playing games rather than objectively and honestly discussing properties of different classes of drugs.

Eg, the initial effects of amphetamines or opiods are not the long term side effects you mention, which are not the same as the primary and immediate affects of drugs such as pot or hallucinogens.

You can play word games, eg life changing, and your comment is of course accurate but you know that is not what is meant

Call it worldview paradigm change rather than life change.

I don’t think you really have any disagreement or misunderstanding of what I’ve been saying, but simply don’t like to look at it that way.


84 posted on 07/08/2014 8:46:37 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: PoloSec

WIth more to come. As the propaganda brain-addled generation dies off, Prohibition will fall. Again.


85 posted on 07/09/2014 4:36:59 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: GeronL

They could have a discussion about your political ideology, whatever that might be, without resorting to name calling.


86 posted on 07/09/2014 4:47:23 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: ifinnegan
My comments are not only serious but they are based on current research. There is no evidence that I have ever seen that shows cannabis changing ones "world view" or political ideology. Nor have I seen any evidence that there is a portion of the brain that controls ones political ideology. Further it appears that regular Cannabis users are all over the political spectrum which seems a problem that your theory can't account for.

Cannabis is not the same chemically and does not have the same effects as LSD, MDMA, psilocybin, and other hallucinogens. Grouping them together is convenient for your theory but doesn't explain how you think they effect a certain portion of the brain, or what portion of the brain you think controls ideology. If there were a discrete portion of the brain that made one supportive of socialist/fascist tyrannies and it could be changed via a drug you could be sure that our dear government would mandate that it be put in everything we ate, drank, breathed. They wouldn't leave it to some social movement run by stoners.

Regardless you seem to be missing a larger picture here. What is the political ideology of a teenager turning tricks to get their next fix of crack or meth? Is the person that held up a liquor store for enough cash for their next fix going to be voting Republican? What is the world-view of the old homeless alcoholic and what was the paradigm change that resulted in their being a homeless drunk rather than a productive member of society?

Your "Pot causes people to be liberal" theory just doesn't seem to hold up to any type of scrutiny.

87 posted on 07/09/2014 6:03:54 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: ifinnegan; Durus
“Call it worldview paradigm change rather than life change.”

Around 200 Million people around the world use pot today and probably close to a billion have used it since the 1937 ban. Who knows how many used it in the thousands of years before.

Yet in all those years, the drug warriors could not come up with a SINGLE set of twins with ANY permanent difference from using pot. Not even ONE set of twin lab animals when exposed to impossibly high levels of the drug showed any changes. Pot prohibition is purely emotional correlation, name-calling and hysteria.

Yes, idiots, liberals and schizophrenics (but I repeat myself) are more likely to abuse drugs and openly smoke pot. Just like schizos are 5-7 times more likely to smoke tobacco than average. Does that prove tobacco or pot caused it? NO, it is simply a correlation.

The only proven danger from pot is psychological addiction but the same can be said for video games, gambling, sex, adrenaline, junk food, shopping, porn, internet, hoarding, overexercising, anorexia, etc, etc, etc. Do you really want government to control EVERYTHING potentially addictive?

I was once so addicted to junk food that I lost everything and only stopped when I almost lost my life. I think junk food makers are just as evil as drug pushers but still don't believe government should be protecting people from themselves. We are on the road to a 'pre-crime' police state because of that mentality.

88 posted on 07/09/2014 8:22:14 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

Thanks.

You gave yourself away with the “ drug warrior” comment.

You’re just another pot head lost boy.

Nothing personal, no offense, but you are not serious, but are political and polemical.

You are definitely quite committed to your sacrament.


89 posted on 07/09/2014 9:31:47 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan

Your only reply to my questions is personal attack because there is no explanation for them except for corruption.

My only sacrament is personal freedom and fighting corruption. You should be smart enough to see the WOD is a pointless endeavor that was re-purposed by our corrupt government. Nothing but a scam to strip fundamental freedoms, steal our tax dollars and steal our property. All under the cover of generated drug hysteria.

You’ll understand once you inevitably lose your own rights and property.

Of course you’re going to call me a “pot head” and say I’m imagining these things. That’s what the government wants you to think as you throw your rights down the toilet. I live in a rough neighborhood and encounter these abuses constantly but here are some articles in case you haven’t seen it yourself:

-We now live in a time where a coin-sized package can be planted on someone and turn them into a felon. The government can now imprison anyone at will. This detective was caught planting drugs and got no jail time after he threatened to out the entire NYPD as corrupt: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095772/Cowboy-cop-Jason-Arbeeny-planted-crack-couples-car-seat-escapes-jail.html

-Another NYPD Detective Testifies that Police Regularly Plant Drugs on Innocent People to Meet Arrest Quota: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/fabricated-drug-charges-innocent-people-meet-arrest-quotas-detective-testifies-article-1.963021

-”My team seized about US$10-million to US$15-million, and none of it was straight,” he said. “We were told, basically, if you want cars, you should go out and seize them. So we would ...” Officers planted drugs, lied and falsified reports to justify their property seizures. Some of the forfeiture proceeds went directly into officers’ pockets. http://www.karenselick.com/NP001207.html

-Law enforcement can seize your money unless you can prove every cent is NOT drug money. Cops have planted drugs on people to seize their property. http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/story/On-Your-Side-Law-enforcement-seizes-money-without/PNYbgze57kOMxTUzmepwBw.cspx


90 posted on 07/09/2014 12:42:31 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

You have now moved on to spamming pre-processed leftist propaganda talking points.


91 posted on 07/09/2014 12:58:02 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan
What talking points?

Real innocent people are getting drugs planted on them, losing their freedom and losing their property. Real innocent families are getting attacked by unnecessary SWAT raids. Real innocent people are being raped, forcefully bled and anal probed to look for a few baggies of drugs. Real innocent professionals are being searched, forced to pee in jars on demand and getting their privates watched with zero probable cause due to the WOD.

You DISGUST me if you honestly think all of that is acceptable in a "free" nation. This once was a country where you could drive while drinking a beer if you took responsibility for your own actions. Today we have people like you begging for a police state that locks people up for pre-crime.

How far we have fallen into a police state makes me sick to no end and yes, I am VERY upset about it.

92 posted on 07/09/2014 1:40:11 PM PDT by varyouga
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