[Williams]

I despise the teachers union but the average kid graduating college to be a teacher and working at it for 30 years is just looking for a job. This idea that teachers are an enemy is misguided. And frankly I don’t support taking away benefits that were promised to a worker all those years. If government could prioritize and budget these messes would not happen. Meaning, don’t offer a benefit if you don’t plan on funding it.

In my approach they still would get less, I just don’t blame the workers. Unions are evil.

[Chode]

pick out the parts that apply...

this is what i told a guy i know(county union worker) awhile back, he was not pleased… I Don’t Care.

When you extorted your unjustifiable contracts, you didn’t care about the Taxpayers that will be forced to pay for your salary and benefits that is more, and better, than theirs, no…

You said: Either give me what I want, or I will hurt you.
I will GO ON STRIKE and I WILL HURT YOU!!!

NOT, If you don’t give me what I want, I will quit, and get a different job… NO!

It was, GIVE ME WHAT I WANT OR I WILL HURT YOU!!!

You were told over, and over, and over again, through the years, and extorted contracts, that it was unsustainable.

But YOU didn’t listen, and YOU didn’t care.

And the local government said OK, because there was nothing they could do, And, knowing it would be somebody else’s problem down the road, well...

Well, guess what?

It’s down the road, and now… it’s YOUR problem!!!
The trough is empty, and the teat is dry.

Can you hear ME now???

You were all fat dumb and happy as long as your snout was in the PublicTrough up past your eyeballs,

but now…

Now… that the food level has dropped below Your eyes, even YOU can see the writing on the wall as well as the rest of us.

There WILL be reduced benefits to be sure, if not outright eliminations…

And guess what???

I, DON’T, CARE!!!

[FreedomNotSafety]

So you believe promises made by politicians are somehow sacred or sacrosanct? Once a promise is made by a politician it must be kept not matter how ridiculous?

Pensions can be funded by actual hard money deposits into trust accounts that are invested in hard assets (not government bonds). Or they can be funded by promises to pay future promises which means the politicians promise to pay future benefits by collecting from future taxpayers. Unions comprised of the teachers you are so sympathetic towards opted for promises and not hard money. They did so to maximize current salary and benefits and betting they could force taxpayers to cough up even more later on. No sympathy.

[PapaBear3625]

One solution is to eliminate pensions for all new hires. New hires get a 401K, like the rest of us.

One question is, at what point will the non-public-employees of Illinois turn on the public employee unions, and support politicians who will pass right-to-work laws like Wisconsin and Michigan did?