Posted on 07/02/2014 11:27:52 AM PDT by Rebelbase
Or your assumptions are off, as well as your understanding of history.
China's form of government lasted several thousand years. It didn't survive the social collapse caused by massive and widespread drug addiction. China was so weak that the much smaller nation of Japan invaded and very nearly conquered it. Were it not for American help, they would have.
Already have. You just ignore it. What point is there to provide more? You will ignore that as well. I'm already familiar with this merry-go-round.
Naturally - you're a drug war supporter.
As would be anyone with a lick of sense. As the nation has voted twice for Obama, it is self evident that we are seeing a waning of common sense, and this effort to legalize drugs is just another manifestation of it.
With Iran, we are about to see how a non-ban on the inanimate works out for the world.
Really, you have some examples?
I can't imagine an advocate of Christ making false accusations out of a misplaced sense of pride or something, so tell me where i'm using made up bullshit?
Yes.
given that all your arguments posted here against pot also apply to the alcohol you wouldn't ban?
No they don't. Alcohol has been a factor in human society for many thousands of years. It is part of many cultures and has a long history of acceptance despite the ill it causes for some.
Marijuana on the other hand, is a relatively recent addition to the available pharmacopeia, and while it may not be as bad as alcohol in some respects, it produces plenty of negatives for the society which has to put up with it.
We don't need another one. The one we have already causes enough damage.
Now if you asked me whether I would prefer pot to Alcohol, I would have to say yes, but we don't get an either/or choice, we get a choice of "both", and likely "All."
That choice of "All" is the one that would certainly kill us. Saying "yes" to Marijuana is just leading up to that choice of "all."
Anthrax can be self administered too. You just don't see how drug usage spreads in a similar manner (by contact with carriers) as does anthrax. It's a much slower process. That's why it took 80 years to wreck China.
We who take up their burden are also victims.
Funny how decriminalizing stuff reduces the crime rate.
Just out of curiosity.........why would you think they would go up?
Because criminals steal to get drug money and now one drug is readily available without the hassle of a pusher.
Opium was legal since the nation's founding - Ben Franklin used laudanum. But even accepting your cooked books ...
By 1906 we started regulating drugs
America had (no less than) 43 years to China's 58, and yet as you acknowledge America's addiction rate was never anything remotely like China's. Looks like the addiction experts are right to say culture and environment are important factors.
And you will provide no evidence whatsoever for your claim.
Already have.
Where? Your accompanying claim that the researchers are "people who like drugs and alcohol" is not evidence.
You first - you were the first to make the accusation.
Just out of curiosity.........why would you think they would go up?
Because criminals steal to get drug money and now one drug is readily available without the hassle of a pusher.
But.....if some drugs are legalized (and the criminal element eliminated)....don't you think the price would collapse like any other commodity subject to market competition....and demand? Thus....most minimum wage folks could probably afford a "High" now and then. Most other average earners could probably afford them as they do beer and cigarettes..... currently. I don't know many folks who need to burglarize, steal and scam folks for money to buy beer and cigarettes.
No.....I don't use drugs.......never have...but I sure don't think we should have a "Taxpayer Funded War" against them.....because the only folks who then benefit from this useless exercise are the criminal elements in our own Federal Government.
No they don't.
Yes they do - what you post next is a new (to this thread) argument from you.
Alcohol has been a factor in human society for many thousands of years. It is part of many cultures and has a long history of acceptance despite the ill it causes for some.
"Some"? A few posts ago YOU were (falsely) accusing ME of denying the harms of alcohol - and here you are minimizing it.
Marijuana on the other hand, is a relatively recent addition to the available pharmacopeia, and while it may not be as bad as alcohol in some respects, it produces plenty of negatives for the society which has to put up with it.
So if the issue is still negatives and ills, how is cultural acceptance even relevant?
We don't need another one. The one we have already causes enough damage.
And yet you say "Were I in a position to do so, I would not ban it [alcohol]" despite the ill it causes - that just doesn't add up.
For example “Drugs push themselves.”
This is wrong from an epistemological standpoint.
In fact it is drama queening.
If demons can push drugs, it is because people pushed God out of their lives.
I can't help but notice that only one of those items is self-administered. To people who care about individual rights, that makes a great deal of difference.
Anthrax can be self administered too.
But never is.
You just don't see how drug usage spreads in a similar manner (by contact with carriers)
Not similar - a heroin user can cough in my face all day long, and lick all my silverware, and he won't make me a heroin user.
"Victims", for the most part, only of your own bad choices. Don't want to take up their burden? Don't!
This discussion won’t go anywhere, it can’t, without the consideration of supernatural factors.
Ah, le mot juste!
Well the first mot juste came from God. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word.
The natural does not need to dominate our scene — in fact it SHOULDN’T.
We’re in a world absolutely pervaded everywhere we go by the supernatural.
And I did not have to snort any powders or pop any pills in order to realize that.
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