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To: Salman; All; Phinneous; Jewbacca
Unfortunately, this is not at all surprising (unless you're one of those people who have never taken his/her nose out of a Hal Lindsay book and think the current Medinah [State] is the fulfillment of Biblical prophecies). It is not. The current and ongoing return of Jews to the Holy Land during the past century plus, however, probably is.

It's great that American Fundamentalist chrstians support the right of Jews to live in and have sovereignty over the Holy Land. However, the state of '48 is merely a "Hebrew-speaking Portugal" (in the words of Rabbi Me'ir Kahana' [zt"l; Hy"d]). David Ben Gurion, whom American Fundamentalists seem to think was King David reborn, was an atheist who fully expected the Jewish religion to die out completely.

Unfortunately, American chrstians (quite naturally) accept Jews and a Jewish state only on their own terms: with Judaism as a historical stage in the development of chrstianity and with Israel as a state based on the same eighteenth century "enlightenment" Protestant concepts as the USA. They never seem to consider Judaism's claim that it is THE true religion, not a sort of "cub scouts" to the chrstian "boy scouts." And furthermore a Jewish State with a fully Halakhic government (which is what the prophecies are about) will be very different from the government of Protestant America. Americans forget that ancient Israel was a Theocracy where "religious liberty" as we know it today did not exist. When Mashiach comes a Torah State will be created governed entirely by Torah Law, and idol-worshipers will be expelled from G-d's Holy Land.

The vast gulf from this coming Halakhic State (and world) and the "State of Israel" that exists today shows how much there is yet to be done. Unfortunately, most Israeli nationalists are nationalists in the secular nineteenth century European mold (which began with the French Revolution and resulted in all the nationalist movements of the time . . . Greek, Italian, Czech, Armenian, etc.). The sad fact that G-d is never invoked as a defense of the Jewish presence in Jerusalem and that instead the Holocaust is treated as the one and only justification of the Jewish presence there illustrates the alienation of secular nationalism from Torah True "Zionism."

Unfortunately, today's Israel (like the decadent European society it aspires to be) does indeed celebrate its homosexuals. However, interestingly enough, the "gays" repay them by attacking them for "pinkwashing" and for "oppressing" the poor theocratic moslems. The insane hatred Israeli liberals have for their own country is similar to that of our American liberals.

13 posted on 06/29/2014 12:33:08 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“They [American Christians] never seem to consider Judaism’s claim that it is THE true religion . . . “

Because it’s not there. Judaism holds that it is THE only true religion - for Jews. People of other faiths are not asked/expected to follow its beliefs.


24 posted on 06/29/2014 10:38:52 PM PDT by eddiespaghetti ((with the meatball eyes))
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To: Zionist Conspirator
They never seem to consider Judaism's claim that it is THE true religion,

Oh; we PROTESTants get it alright.

We get it from LOTS of religions!

27 posted on 06/30/2014 3:08:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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