Posted on 06/08/2014 4:50:58 PM PDT by maddog55
In the war with Mexico in 1846-47, the United States lodged a formal protest in the International Court, because Mexican troops used copper bullets. Copper ammunition was considered poisonous, because it would react with body fluids and form poisonous compounds. A wound could kill you in a few months and make you sick for a long time before it finally did you in.
However, they did not address an issue I think might be important. That is, if the target has a any kind of harder shell, how well will this bullet penetrate and break up?
Also driving the bullet faster might make this projectile work less well. Intriguing. Perhaps they'll try it, patents permitting, with a soft ballistic tip. That might make it feed better in an automatic. Those jagged edges scare me.
But in the .38, .357, or .44 revolvers you mentioned, it should chamber just fine.
Reminds me of the Extreme Shock “Fang Face” round. Google it. Naaaaasty. Which is exactly why I purchased a bunch of it.
If looks could kill. The latest greatest until it meets the real world. Can we say shot placement?
I’ll stick with Gold Dots.
Is there something special about this? The same round (RIP) was being sold several years ago, when I was in college. Remember watching some youtube video on it.
“96 grains in what caliber?”
Initial rounds are 9mm, but they have plans for .380 (9mm short), 40 S&W, and .45 ACP, before they move on to rifle ammunition.
Speer Gold Dots or Winchester Rangers are my carry loads.
I find it amusing that all Winchester needed to do was re-name the scary-sounding Black Talon to the innocuous-sounding Ranger and all is well. Don’t tell the hoplophobes that the Rangers are “product improved” compared to the BT’s. There are some seriously impressive You Tube jello shoots with .45 ACP 230gr Rangers.
Hornady Critical defense. This round sounds optimal if your opponent is naked.
Well, “impressive” is kind of the point of an advertisement now isn’t it?
Here’s a video of a third party testing the RIP ammo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGFPRpWZ3w
The good part is right about 2 minutes, bit of showmanship framing the results leading up to it. Stick with it enough to see what rounds he used to emulate the performance of the RIP ammunition.
Suffice it to say, without spoilers, that the RIP ammo is something that actually makes a 9mm LESS effective, not more.
he YouTube channel Military Arms Channel did several ballistic gel tests with this bullet. Looked quite impressive.
Copper bullets are more expensive but more effective than lead ones.
This bullet looks to have excellent performance against soft and unarmored targets, but performance against armor would probably not be so good.
“Lead Free”. So glad it’s Environmentally Friendly. LOL
Pretty hard to conceal carry something that fires one....
There was another YouTube channel that did some other tests through windshields and car doors. I can’t remember the name of the channel, though I’m sure a search will turn it up.
“Just looking at that I can see that it would almost certainly fail to achieve the F.B.I. minimum penetration in ballistic gelatin”
The most violently effective round known to man is the 125gr jhp in .357 Magnum, at 1450fps. It’s beyond rational dispute. It routinely goes about 10 inches deep in Ballistic gelatin and fails the FBI test.
The FBI standard is a very poor standard to use for most people. They aren’t that good at gunfighting, and they pick slugs that are tough and stay together through typical law enforcement barriers. This results in an overly tough through and through round that is little better than ball unless it encounters a barrier. But for the mugger 5 feet away, the rapist at the foot of your bed, or the turd at the ATM, FBI ammo is not the best choice in any caliber.
There’s probably a magic number below that 3200fps at which that bullet, with imparted spin, will fly apart after leaving the barrel.
RIP ammo is idiotic. But please don’t tout FBI standards as some sort of unassailable benchmark for defensive ammo. At the most charitable, their standard is for a very unique condition set that is not duplicated by the CCW shooter.
The FBI and Facklerites gave us the Winchester 147 subsonic. It STILL meets FBI standards. It is also second only to the 38 200gr round nose lead as the most notorious failure in police service.
Very interesting tech.
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Only crushed glass in the 12 gauge is maybe more interesting. (Close work).
A surgeon of my acquaintance convinced me to stock/carry the Black Talon. Black Talon are less likely than most hollowed points to ‘choke’ on down jackets, nylon, and denim.
Hard to stockpile now though...... $85.00 per box in .357 at a recent gun show. Managed 19 boxes at $12.50 before the press attacked.
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