[AnotherUnixGeek]

uh no I have been to the Bay Area numerous times and all over up to Medocino, Napa, Mount Shasta.

OK, if you say so kemosabe - you said previously that your statement was based on what folks from the Bay Area said, so you'll understand why I assumed you had never been here yourself. BTW, Mendocino over 150 miles from San Francisco, about 200 miles from San Jose. Mount Shasta is about 240 miles from San Francisco, almost 300 miles from San Jose. You're sure this was the Bay Area you visited?

run down, full of communists, attracts the homeless because of the weather

A few parts are run down, as are parts of every other area in the nation. Many parts are very nice. It's not at all full of communists, though the sad truth is that the Bay Area is dominated by reflexive, unthinking liberals. I'm not clear on why you think it attracts the homeless since you previously said it was cold, but whatever.

Like I said, I'd suggest you come to the Bay Area - not areas hundreds of miles from here, but the Bay Area itself, and look around for yourself.

[yldstrk]

look I have been to the Bay Area, stayed weeks at a time in the Bay Area, multiple times over the past 25+ years, married to someone who grew up in the Bay Area and still has friends and family there. I get that you think it is heaven on earth and we should all be so lucky.

Well, my opinion of the place is different.