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I guess the Gander Mountain mindreader was off that day.
1 posted on 05/21/2014 5:39:05 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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“...Gander Mountain should have realized Nguyen was making a “straw purchase” for Spengler, who accompanied her into the store. ...”

Ummm... Dear Miss Brady...Mind telling us How?

Look for this to be the new tactic. Needs to be stepped on, quickly and forcefully.


2 posted on 05/21/2014 5:44:12 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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“...The semi-automatic rifle used...”

Wow... good thing he didn’t use a lever gun... that would have become a “High-capacity Repeating Assault Rifle”...


3 posted on 05/21/2014 5:45:04 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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I have an idea; let's not enforce laws that actually exist, and enforce laws that don't exist!

That'll really get the peasants confused!

4 posted on 05/21/2014 5:45:09 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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I would think the person who willfully lied on the application forms is the real culprit here. But hey, who has the deep pockets?

Gander Mountain sells a perfectly legal product, and they did due diligence in assuring the purchaser complied with the requirements. But the purchaser was operating under deceit and misrepresentation, and there is no safeguard in place that would have alerted Gander Mountain to this duplicity.

Legal proceedings do not determine right or wrong in any instance. They only determine what is legal or illegal.

They clearly missed the mark here.


5 posted on 05/21/2014 5:46:24 AM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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I listened to the little speech by one of the attorneys.

Here's one problem....After the murders, she called someone she knew connected to the police department....and she knew all about those guns....and her own words are on tape.

6 posted on 05/21/2014 5:51:35 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Will Clare Voyant please pick up the white courtesy phone? Ms. Voyant ...


7 posted on 05/21/2014 5:52:44 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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Might as well sue the phone company for providing access for the 911 call


8 posted on 05/21/2014 5:52:45 AM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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Maybe the shooter should have never been out of prison after beating his own grandmother to death with a hammer.

Just a thought.


10 posted on 05/21/2014 6:00:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence says it filed a lawsuit Tuesday on behalf of the four victims claiming that St. Paul-based Gander Mountain should have realized Nguyen was making a "straw purchase" for Spengler, who accompanied her into the store.

This is dripping with sexisum because everyone knows that only men buy firearms. Girls are afraid of guns after all, "They're like totally icky". The only reason that a woman would buy a gun is to give to to a man.

This will be their legal argument.

11 posted on 05/21/2014 6:04:36 AM PDT by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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I thought the Lawful Commerce in Arms Act prevented these kinds of nonsensical lawsuits? Or does it just stop governments from trying to sue gun businesses out of existence?


14 posted on 05/21/2014 6:20:52 AM PDT by barefoot_hiker
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Im in that specific store regularly I was worried after the incident that they’d close down or further limit sales - instead the revamped the dept and made it the largest in NY running the length of the entire back wall - about 180’....nary an AR (flat top or otherwise) in sight though


16 posted on 05/21/2014 6:29:52 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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The gun manufacturer is responsible for someone else committing fraud?

The gun manufacturer is responsible for someone lying on a Form 4473?

http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

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11. Answer questions 11.a.(see exceptions)through 11.l. and 12(if applicable)by checking or marking“yes” or “no”in the boxes to the right of the questions.

a. Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form? Warning: You are not the actual buyer if you are acquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual buyer, the dealer cannot transfer the firearm(s)to you.(See Instructions for Question 11.a.) Exception:If you are picking up a repaired firearm(s)for another person, you are not required to answer 11.a. and may proceed to question 11.b.

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I certify that my answers to Section A are true, correct, and complete. I have read and understand the Notices, Instructions, and Definitions on ATF Form 4473. I understand that answering “yes” to question 11.a. if I am not the actual buyer is a crime punishable as a felony under Federal law, and may also violate State and/or local law. I understand that a person who answers “yes” to any of the questions 11.b. through 11.k. is prohibited from purchasing or receiving a firearm. I understand that a person who answers “yes” to question 11.l. is prohibited from purchasing or receiving a firearm, unless the person also answers “Yes” to question 12. I also understand that making any false oral or written statement, or exhibiting any false or misrepresented identification with respect to this transaction, is a crime punishable as a felony under Federal law, and may also violate State and/or local law. I further understand that the repetitive purchase of firearms for the purpose of resale for livelihood and profit without a Federal firearms license is a violation of law(See Instructions for Question 16).

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I don't see anything about "If you lie on question 11.a it is the firearm manufacturer's fault."




If I lie to get a driver's license should the state have known I was lying?

If I then use that ID to buy beer when I'm actually underage is the store at fault because they should have known that I was underage even though I had a genuine state issued ID that said otherwise?

17 posted on 05/21/2014 6:32:37 AM PDT by servo1969
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Brady will use its deep pockets to bury this guy - and even create a precident.


24 posted on 05/21/2014 6:46:52 AM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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Being sued for being a victim of a crime?


26 posted on 05/21/2014 7:41:21 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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A look at some of the pictures of the murderer and you see some of the burning psycho savagery in his face. The story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Webster,_New_York_shooting

Part of his suicide note: "I still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood I can burn down, and do what I like doing best, killing people."

Mugshot before going to prison for murdering his grandmother with a hammer.

After 18 years in prison.

His straw buyer accomplice Dawn Nguyen.


27 posted on 05/21/2014 8:22:36 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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Since there are many more murders committed with hammers than guns, has anyone sued the hammer manufacturers yet?

5.56mm

30 posted on 05/21/2014 10:33:53 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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