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To: Sherman Logan

The “claims”, as you put it, are scholarly consensus. Even the “Jaffaites” clearly acknowledge that Lincoln and the Republicans viewed the primary issue as keeping the South under the Federal government, while slavery was at most secondary issue. I don’t think that there is much dispute that Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation to prevent European governments from recognizing the Confederacy. As you know, the Proclamation didn’t free any slaves. Moreover, encouraging a servile insurrection was part of the war strategy, as it had been a part of the antebellum abolitionist program. Interestingly, the slaves weren’t interested in a Haiti-style uprising.

Still, I found your timeline interesting. So, here is a small detail for you to check: the District of Columbia Emancipation Proclamation was signed April 16, 1862, not in March. You might also note that the Act included $100,000 for sending former slaves to Liberia if they wished to go (I don’t think any took Lincoln up on that, though).

What we need today is an Emancipation Proclamation freeing taxpayers.


52 posted on 05/20/2014 4:56:42 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: achilles2000
I don’t think that there is much dispute that Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation to prevent European governments from recognizing the Confederacy.

I don't know why you would say that. By the time the Emancipation Proclamation was issued any hope of British intervention had literally sailed. The Trent Affair was the nail in that coffin. And davis's hopes that "King Cotton" would save his bacon never panned out.

As you know, the Proclamation didn’t free any slaves.

Au contraire, it freed most of the slaves.

56 posted on 05/20/2014 6:00:21 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: achilles2000
I no doubt worded my comments poorly. Did not mean to imply that preservation of the Union was not the primary purpose of the Union war effort throughout. In fact, Lincoln and other repeatedly said this.

What I was trying to say was that the claim is commonly made by revisionists that Lincoln and the Union Congress and people didn't really care about slavery, that Emancipation was only a ploy. My timeline was an attempt to demonstrate that emancipation was not an event, it was a process, and that this process started less than a month after the war began.

This is, of course, to be expected for an issue involving the property-or-people status of 4M, something like 15% of the US population at the time. Not to mention capital assets worth something along the lines of $3B, 15% to 20% of the value of all capital in the USA when the war started.

The claims that abolition was NOT a Union war goal are usually based on statements before the war or in its early days. But of course absolutely nothing can change public opinion more rapidly than a major war, and less than two years into the war, the vast majority of Unionists had abandoned the idea of reconstituting "the Union as it was," for the simple reason that they recognized this to be impossible.

Even in the border slave states, with the exception of KY and DE, this recognition was reached, which is why these states all emancipated their slaves, without compensation. Which I must admit was more than a little unfair to slave-owning Unionists in those states.

If Emancipation was a brilliant Union ploy, which it was, though not just a ploy, the question arises of what would have been its effect had Emancipation been implemented by the CSA?

It is fairly obvious that emancipation by the CSA in say, 1863, even very gradual emancipation, such as freeing only those born after its passage, would have immediately resulted in British and French recognition of the CSA.

Many in the British elite were longing for an excuse to take the USA down a notch. Recognition, followed by an attempt to trade, stopped by the blockade, would likely have followed. The Royal Navy might very well have been deployed to break the blockade, which it would have had no trouble doing. The US Navy had a a large number of ships by this time, but most of them were designed for catching blockade-runners, not fighting another full-bore Navy.

Break the blockade, arms and other supplies pour into the South, CSA morale soars, USA morale plummets. End of the war with a CSA victory follows shortly.

Some in the CSA recognized this course of action as desirable. So why was it never discussed in Congress or otherwise seriously considered, if independence rather than slavery was the critical issue for the South?

It's because protecting slavery was the reason the South wanted its independence. Independence without slavery would have vitiated the whole reason they had wanted out of the Union, and was quite literally unthinkable.

In early 1865 the CSA Congress couldn't even bring itself to offer freedom to the slaves it was recruiting for the army, and finally did so only after a personal plea from Lee. That is how unthinkable the prospect was.

So while the destruction of slavery was not the primary Union war aim, it became an auxiliary one less than halfway into the war. Meanwhile, the protection of slavery remained a Confederate war goal to the very end.

So was the War about slavery? Any reasonable person reviewing the history of the 1850s will agree that slavery was at the root of the hostility between the sections. It is also fair to say that initially ending slavery was not a primary Union war goal, though it became one in little more than a year.

Meanwhile, the protection of slavery was the primary reason for secession, and remained, along with independence, one of the two primary war goals of the Confederacy to its end. In fact, I would content that protecting slavery was more important to the CSA than independence, since IMO even a very moderate emancipation policy could have gotten them their independence. But when faced with the choice between emancipation and independence, they chose the third option. Neither.

67 posted on 05/21/2014 6:30:53 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: achilles2000
the District of Columbia Emancipation Proclamation was signed April 16, 1862, not in March.

You are correct, sir. Though I can't really consider it a serious discrepancy. :)

I will modify my timeline accordingly.

the Act included $100,000 for sending former slaves to Liberia if they wished to go

Actually, it provided $100 to be paid to each ex-slave that agreed to emigrate, to Liberia, Haiti, or wherever.

It also provided up to $300 per slave as compensation to his previous owner. This was the only compensated emancipation law ever passed in the USA.

Interestingly, Lincoln had proposed a compensated emancipation law for DC when he was a congressman back in the 40s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_Compensated_Emancipation_Act

82 posted on 05/21/2014 11:12:42 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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