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To: FatherofFive
If I chose to live on a plantation, trading my time working in the field for a home and food, that is my choice. Slaves had no choice. They could not leave. Their children could not leave. That is the antithesis of the American dream.

That's exactly right. And, worse, their children (or parents, or spouses, or siblings, etc.) could be--and often were--sold and the family forcibly separated. To praise the "family structure" that existed under slavery is ignorant at best.

49 posted on 04/24/2014 11:07:17 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

“To praise the “family structure” that existed under slavery is ignorant at best.”

I wasn’t around during the time of slavery so I don’t know that much about their family structure back then.

However I can’t see how it could possibly be any better today. Heck, 80% of the black kids grow up today in families without a father! About the same number are born out of wedlock. The abortion rate for blacks is almost 50%.

There is no family structure for blacks by and large...


72 posted on 04/24/2014 11:21:01 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
If I chose to live on a plantation, trading my time working in the field for a home and food, that is my choice. Slaves had no choice. They could not leave. Their children could not leave. That is the antithesis of the American dream.

That's exactly right. And, worse, their children (or parents, or spouses, or siblings, etc.) could be--and often were--sold and the family forcibly separated. To praise the "family structure" that existed under slavery is ignorant at best.

The above arguments are based on an ideal and its extreme opposite, namely choice vs. no choice, freedom vs. slavery.

For many today that have family responsibility, a job and a retirement plan, there is no choice. Oh sure, among these people there will a few that say that can 'choose' to walk away from it. But slaves could 'choose' to run away, and many did.

The result of running away is the same, falling into a life of begging or of stealing, of becoming a ward of the state or a criminal. It matters not if one is property or non-property, slave or non-slave. The choice leads to the same result.

Of course, the 'ideal of freedom' is what we all want but few of us truly have it. What keeps us from capitulating into a miserable life of dependency, of modern day slavery, is a strong work ethic with a sense of personal responsibility that is transmitted from generation to generation.

An EBT card is the one item that separates many from starvation and crime, or is it? Those that have them are slaves, modern day slaves owned by the state. These slaves can runaway from their EBT masters but then find themselves begging or living a life of crime. It's really not a lot different than slaves on plantations of centuries before.

But many will disagree that modern slavery is not much different from slavery before its abolition. They will say that slaves never had a choice but as I said oreviously they did have a choice, they could runaway just as modern slaves can also choose to runaway. And those that do runaway will find themselves brought under control of a new slave master. So there's no escape for most.

193 posted on 04/24/2014 6:08:41 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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