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To: SoConPubbie; ansel12

Well, DOMA was enacted by Bill Clinton and didn’t do anything to stop the spread of gay marriage in the states. It was a complete failure and actually forced many states to choose between gay marriage and traditional marriage. Those who chose traditional marriage are having the decision reversed by the federal courts so the end result has been a huge win for gay marriage everywhere. Do you disagree?

I’m not sure where Paul and Cruz stand on DOMA. DOMA has become irrelevant now. The federal government should not have enacted legislation regulating marriage. Because it did, we are where we are today. Just look at the timeline.


34 posted on 04/24/2014 6:07:31 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion; SoConPubbie

What a convoluted and dishonest dump of BS. You even mentioned Clinton, DOMA had veto proof majorities in both houses, he didn’t have any choice but to sign it.

Clinton, Rand Paul Barack Obama all opposed DOMA, Cruz and Palin supported it. Your side the left+/libertarians won and now we have larger government and full marriage benefits for gay hookups.

We can assume you oppose DOMA and efforts to preserve marriage and the positive effects of DOMA that the left and libertarians opposed and wanted to defeat.

“”DOMA, in conjunction with other statutes, had barred same-sex married couples from being recognized as “spouses” for purposes of federal laws, effectively barring them from receiving federal marriage benefits.””

Now we have gay marriage at the federal level Paul opposed DOMA, a position which gave federal benefits to homosexuals in the military in federal government, and in immigration, wasting billions and giving the left the single biggest hammer to impose gay marriage on individual states. Nothing is more powerful in changing public perception and feelings about “gay marriage” than having it legal at the federal level and their GIs and employees scattered throughout every state.

You then pretend you don’t know how Cruz and Paul come down on DOMA despite all of our posts to you using those facts, and you even bring up the nonsense of how the Continental Congress and the Congresses of the 1780s and 1790s and Founding fathers are to blame because they had to have marriage law at the federal level.

“”Section 3 codified non-recognition of same-sex marriages for all federal purposes, including insurance benefits for government employees, social security survivors’ benefits, immigration, bankruptcy, and the filing of joint tax returns, as well as excluding same-sex spouses from the scope of laws protecting families of federal officers , laws evaluating financial aid eligibility, and federal ethics laws applicable to opposite-sex spouses.””


You keep smearing Cruz for fighting to get back as much as we can from the federal government on marriage, while defending Paul, who has helped the gay marriage at the federal government level efforts.

“”Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz launched the beginning of another precarious battle – an attempt to reverse the Supreme Court’s landmark decision striking down the Defense of Marriage Act.

Cruz and Utah Republican Sen. Mike Lee introduced a bill on Wednesday “to amend chapter 1 of title 1, United States Code, with regard to the definition of ‘marriage’ and ‘spouse’ for Federal purposes.”

If passed, the bill would defer to state definitions of marriage for federal protections and spousal benefits, essentially undoing the effects of last year’s Supreme Court ruling in the case of United States v. Windsor. That decision overturned a central provision of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), allowing the U.S. government to begin recognizing same-sex nuptials.””


35 posted on 04/24/2014 12:21:23 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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