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John Paul II enabled abuse, should not be canonized
USA Today | April 21, 2014 | Brett M. Decker

Posted on 04/21/2014 3:55:23 PM PDT by TigerTown

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/04/21/pope-saint-johnpaulii-easter-sex-abuse-column/7980347/


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1 posted on 04/21/2014 3:55:23 PM PDT by TigerTown
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To: TigerTown

No one should be canonized. Miracles can’t be proven.


2 posted on 04/21/2014 3:56:31 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: TigerTown

I’ll take anything in the USA Today at face value when they oh wait... nothing they can say means anything beyond the reporting of sports scores and stock prices.

Even then they’d doctor it if they could.


3 posted on 04/21/2014 3:56:46 PM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: TigerTown

Breaking?


4 posted on 04/21/2014 3:58:08 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Support Free Republic!!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

You literally do not have the first clue about the topic upon which you presume to pronounce.


5 posted on 04/21/2014 3:58:45 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Sacajaweau

They can be proven if you’re on the receiving end.

And they can be proven within by the weight of evidence.


6 posted on 04/21/2014 4:01:14 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: TigerTown

I wonder what Brett M. Decker’s views are on homosexual Scout leaders, or homosexuals adopting children?


7 posted on 04/21/2014 4:03:50 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: TigerTown
Well, if you jailhouse lawyer things as the article does, it is probably correct. He was the head of the church at the time, and it did happen, so he gets the blame. But I think the truth be known, it was really the Bishops, mainly American Bishops, who conducted the cover up. I'm not sure how much of the truth every made it to the top.

There was a lawsuit filed down here in San Antonio and the Bishop was finally made to sit for disposition. Then the lawyers for the church made some kind of motion which accidently allowed the disposition to become public. Boy, what an embarrassment! He wasn't the one that committed the sexual assaults, but his answers deserved a horse whipping.

8 posted on 04/21/2014 4:06:35 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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...Miracles can’t be proven.

So if I have an ugly case of psoriasis all over my body, and I go to Lourdes, France, bathe in the water, and emerge without a spot, is that not proof of a "miracle?"

Just curious as to what it would take to convince you...(and you don't have to be Catholic to believe in Miracles!)

9 posted on 04/21/2014 4:07:45 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Pleasing everyone is impossible but pi$$ing everyone off is a piece of cake.)
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To: TigerTown

I don’t think canonization is handled in quite the same way as, say, a historically significant MTV award or Daytime Emmy award, where indignation and pressure might be used to get your way.


10 posted on 04/21/2014 4:09:08 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: TigerTown

A smear against of of the most important conservatives f the 20th century and you say it is breaking news.


11 posted on 04/21/2014 4:12:06 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: TigerTown
Reported in USA TODAY? Can't be true unless they back it up with a cheery Snapshots' graph...


12 posted on 04/21/2014 4:12:52 PM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: TigerTown

This is one of the major issues I have with the catholic church...make that two.

1) They have sainthood...which is just crazy hogwash. And creates a false idol type of mentality with people worshiping the saints.

2) They covered up the abuse of pedophile homosexual priests.

No amount of spin can fix these two issues.


13 posted on 04/21/2014 4:16:35 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Sacajaweau
No one should be canonized. Miracles can’t be proven.

I haven't had a drink in 17 years this month, which I can assure you is a provable miracle..

14 posted on 04/21/2014 4:17:45 PM PDT by cardinal4
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By which saint? Or would that be through Christ?

I think that’s his point.


15 posted on 04/21/2014 4:19:14 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Monkey Face

And who do you attribute this miracle to? Christ or a saint?


16 posted on 04/21/2014 4:19:39 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: TigerTown


In 1981 His Holiness John Paul II appointed Cardinal Ratzinger [ now Pope Benedict XVI ] to head the Council on Doctrine Faith. It was under Ratzinger that the problem was clearly reversed starting in 1981, the reforms were instituted.

Now instead of attacking pray as Christ did that "all may be one".
17 posted on 04/21/2014 4:23:30 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: for-q-clinton

Its not an or question. The saint prayed, just as you dad, brother, friend prays for you, and God performed the miracle.


18 posted on 04/21/2014 4:24:48 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: for-q-clinton

What difference does it make?


19 posted on 04/21/2014 4:26:13 PM PDT by cardinal4
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To: FoxInSocks
I don’t think canonization is handled in quite the same way as, say, a historically significant MTV award or Daytime Emmy award, where indignation and pressure might be used to get your way.

It's been a few decades since I finished with my Catholic education, but IIRC the Catholic Church is not a democracy. USA Today might as well print an opinion column telling the Catholic Church to approve of abortions and to allow women to become priests.

20 posted on 04/21/2014 4:26:56 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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