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To: Talisker
because that's when the 14th Amendment extended federal incorporation to "individual" corporate "persons" throughout the country.

Which is a legal fallacy because
1)the provision that enumerates federal jurisdiction was never repealed.

2) The 14th Amendment's intent was to Naturalize the freed slaves (just as the Founders did for themselves with the grandfather clause), and

3)Any legal and political disabilities that MAY have imposed by the fourteenth amendment of the Constitution of the United States SHOULD it have had the authority to operate in such a manner have already been removed according to multiple bills.

May 3,1872
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llhb&fileName=042/llhb042.db&recNum=9319

December 9, 1872
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llhb&fileName=042/llhb042.db&recNum=11044

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There are citizens of the United States...... then there are Citizens of some one of them.

23 posted on 04/20/2014 3:39:30 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: MamaTexan; Mechanicos; John Valentine

You are all forgeting something profoundly important - the government does not have to prove that a human being is acting in official corporate capacity before treating them as if they are, and it does not have to notify them that they are being so treated when it does.

I am NOT saying that the 14th Amendment imposes corporate personhood, nor that it actually creates a corporate state. What I am saying is that the Supreme Court has ruled that the government can act as if these things are true unless and until it is specifically refuted on these presumptions. And therefore, it makes every effort not to admit that these are the presumptions under which it is operating.

Because in fact, it IS operating as if these presumptions of corporate authority and corporate status are true. And it DOES use very specific terms of art linked to these definitions of corporate status when it files against people in court. These are just operational facts of the legal system.

The problem is not corporations or corporate law. The problem is the allowance of the SECRET PRESUMPTION of this status against people. If that way denied, if the government had to PROVE corporate status before it inviked its corporate statutes and regulations, ALL of this abuse would stop immediately, because IT DOESN’T APPLY.

But you have to know WHAT doesn’t apply, before you can stop it from being applied.


45 posted on 04/22/2014 11:35:43 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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