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The Ranch Davidians: Grazing controversy shines floodlight on growing distrust of government
The Augusta Chronicle ^ | April 19, 2014 | Editorial Staff

Posted on 04/20/2014 12:54:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Man from Oz

Population dynamics (fauna and flora) in a free running system can look like H377.


61 posted on 04/20/2014 9:02:38 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Regulator

Engaging in wordplay with the name of a group of Americans that was minding their own business until the government decided to massacre them is inappropriate in any case. There is nothing remotely “cute” about it, in my view.


62 posted on 04/20/2014 10:01:14 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Sherman Logan; Texas Fossil; 2ndDivisionVet

What Could the Massacre of 40,000 Elephants Possibly Teach Us?

This video of ecologist Allen Savory may be helpful to understanding why cattle absolutely need to be on desert land in large numbers to prevent further desertification. Savory starts by admitting his ordering of the shooting 40,000 elephants to ‘help’ the desert was the biggest mistake of his life. He sets his argument for increasing grazing livestock dramatically, with research-area before and after slides, starting about 11 minutes in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vpTHi7O66pI

the write-up is here:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/03/30/grazing-livestock.aspx?e_cid=20130330_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130330


63 posted on 04/21/2014 12:09:39 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: blueplum
Send to Drudge.

Bookmarked for future reference.

Note that I believe (and have expressed) that the BLM should be paying Bundy for his cattle's acquisition, concentration and distribution of food and water across the Desert for the benefit of the Tortoises.

64 posted on 04/21/2014 12:15:07 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: GOPJ

Might be true but it might be another case of bureaucratic empire building by a dim bulb Democrat. This is the Democrat version of being an entrepreneur


65 posted on 04/21/2014 5:06:34 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: blueplum

Yes, the BLM Bureaucraps cannot see the value in “cow chips”.

They would rather spew their own BS and hot air.


66 posted on 04/21/2014 5:33:12 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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67 posted on 04/21/2014 6:10:16 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: blueplum

Ecologist Allen Savory , makes a pretty good case for the grazing of the land ,as most all us ranchers and farmers know about the benefits rotational grazing .


68 posted on 04/21/2014 6:41:00 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Sherman Logan
The Bundy family has proven over a century that they can properly manage the herd without damaging the land they depend on.

Meanwhile, the government has proven time and again they CANNOT manage or run anything. Can you say Obamacare?

69 posted on 04/21/2014 6:56:06 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Sherman Logan

Looked up US census data. NV is considered 94.2% urban. One of the most urban states. National average is about 90%.”””

Take your statistics a little further.

84 ++ % of the Nevada land mas is controlled by the BLM, NFS, and other Fed agencies. No people living on those lands. So only 16% of the Nevada land mass is available for anyone to LIVE on.

Bundy’s ranch is only about 150 or so acres, IIRC, His GRAZING permit is 260,000 acres. That is bout 20 miles by 20 miles. Not even a drop in the bucket of the control the Feds have in Nevada.


70 posted on 04/21/2014 7:59:26 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

There is a reason nobody lives on that 84% of Nevada, and it has very little to do with federal ownership.

It’s the same reason anybody lives anywhere. Location, location, location.

Are you familiar with the land owned by the BLM in western states? I am. I’ve spent, over four decades, many months driving, camping and backpacking on public lands in UT, CO, NV, AZ and WY.

Nobody lives on the vast majority of this land because there is quite simply no reason for anybody to want to live there. BLM land is the federal public land left over after it had been up for sale for most of a century (in some cases more than a century) with no buyers.

What do you think such land is like? I’ll tell you. Much of it is desert. Almost all is at minimum semi-arid. Little of it is classically pretty, in the meadows and forests way. A great deal of it looks a lot like an abandoned construction site, just piles of dirt and scraggly weeds. Most of it is very difficult to access.

A good bit of its desert areas are gorgeous, if you like that type of thing, which I do. But even I wouldn’t want to live on 99% of it.


71 posted on 04/21/2014 8:16:15 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Georgia Girl 2
The N GA mountains are also a powder keg right now. Already some face offs with the Feds.

I was visiting my now ex-girlfriend in the Atlanta burbs a few years back and drove through the N. GA and Western NC Mountains on the way there. Franklin NC, Clayton, Cleveland, etc. Outside of the accents and the mountains, I felt like I was back at my old home in the woods of North Michigan.

Over there (like my area), there's good people who would do anything for their neighbors to help. They also like to be left alone. There's a reason why they live on several acre lots. Very nice people, but if an outsider causes harm to one, the whole community is harmed, and will do what needs to be done. Many of the citiots don't get that. One of the next "Wilson Blairs" of the world is likely to end up being bear food at some point.

72 posted on 04/21/2014 8:49:55 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
growing distrust of growing government
73 posted on 04/21/2014 9:58:54 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: GladesGuru

Yup. The argument may get to the baaad point. Good e’nuf.


74 posted on 04/21/2014 5:04:45 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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