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To: grania
The only thing impressive about Ukraine so far is that the government and organization of Donetsk seems to be quite competent. I do believe their pronouncements of not using official Russian help,

I don't understand this statement. The 'government' you're talking about represents the population of a single building. There have already been reports from Roma human rights groups that armed men, claiming to be from the People's Republic of Donetsk, are systematically robbing and beating the Roma. Secondly, the actual seizure of buildings was only partly carried out by these gangsters. They were led by the "little green men," some of whom have had their photographs taken in Crimea, but now are in East Ukraine. Officers of the Russian GRU have also been captured and arrested, and communication intercepted from Moscow.

Unless you don't actually know what's going on in Ukraine by avoiding the news entirely, upon what basis do you make your statements?

That attack on the checkpoint was ill conceived, but what has Kiev done right since the coup?

A coup? This is the language of the criminals in the Kremlin who routinely murder their own people and silence their critics. The "coup," as you put it, ocurred as a direct result of the Kremlin puppet's massive corruption, theft of billions from the Ukrainian treasury, and finally the shootings, which is really what made the matter escalate. He then fled when he realized even his own party condemned him and called him a traitor, saying that he refused their advice and chose to use violence to maintain power.

11 posted on 04/20/2014 10:50:36 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Well that's the Eu/Nato/US story...which I don't buy from the evidence gathered even before this uprising. Not that Putin hasn't responded as things began to develope....for he's done what he thought best to secure his interests from the Eu/Nato/US overreach.

Yes, it was a coup no matter how anyone wants to color it....they disposed a sitting President by violence and force...and destroyed their main square and gov. buildings in the process...and then set up a self appointed gov. That IS a coup.

We already know that the Right Sector was responsible for the shooting and the start of violence.....they hijacked the protest as many Ukrainians have spoken of and witnessed.

Kiev's not been able to control the criminal element in Kiev since it began...nor do they do much now to contain it.

Further the East and South have always fought against Kiev for their injustice and basically abandoning those areas because of their Russian population...that is well known also. Bottom line is Ukraine has been and will be a divided country....and the EU/Nato/US and Russia will always be making some sort of dibs on it. There are no good guys on any side in this...NONE!

13 posted on 04/20/2014 11:23:10 AM PDT by caww
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Correct, we should not refer to it as a coup. It’s more correctly called a “Putsch”.


14 posted on 04/20/2014 11:27:28 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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