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Western lawmakers strategize on taking control of federal lands
FOX News ^ | April 19, 2014

Posted on 04/19/2014 5:45:13 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Officials from nine Western states met in Salt Lake City on Friday to discuss taking control of federal lands within their borders on the heels of a standoff between Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and the Bureau of Land Management.

The lawmakers and county commissioners discussed ways to wresting oil-, timber- and mineral-rich lands away from the feds. --snip--

"What's happened in Nevada is really just a symptom of a much larger problem," Lockhart said, according to The Salt Lake Tribune.

The Legislative Summit on the Transfer of Public Lands, as it was called, was organized by Utah state Rep. Ken Ivory and Montana state Sen. Jennifer Fielder. Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, addressed the group over lunch, the Tribune reported.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: bundy; energy
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1 posted on 04/19/2014 5:45:13 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Ivory said federal government's debt threatens its management of vast tracts of the West and its ability to make payments in lieu of taxes to the states, the Tribune reported. He said the issue is of interest to both urban and rural lawmakers."

Good point about the Feds being fiscally insolvent.

2 posted on 04/19/2014 5:48:23 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

9th and 10th amendments most of all of the federal letter agencies are extra constitutional.


3 posted on 04/19/2014 5:48:50 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; Jim Robinson; B4Ranch; 2ndDivisionVet; Nachum; null and void; Liz; LucyT; ...

They need our support!


4 posted on 04/19/2014 5:54:38 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Is this COWS— Coalition Of Western States?


5 posted on 04/19/2014 5:56:06 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It isnt that hard. The feds manage that lands under a trust. So the first step is to declare they failed the trust and take the lands over. Proof? That is pretty easy to prove.

After the states take the management of the trust over, then claim the lands.

If these people would realize how much money can be had by taking these lands over, it wouldnt take them a year to do it.
Think oil leases..I.E.


6 posted on 04/19/2014 5:57:50 AM PDT by crz
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I have never understood why when we are trillions in debt that the federal government still owns most of the land in the west.

We could sell most of that land, pay off the debt and still have money left over


7 posted on 04/19/2014 6:11:19 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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“We could sell most of that land, pay off the debt and still have money left over.”

Sell the land to who?


8 posted on 04/19/2014 6:17:08 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: crz
The feds manage that lands under a trust. So the first step is to declare they failed the trust and take the lands over. Proof? That is pretty easy to prove.

Agree! But IMO a different approach to the same idea is better... simply declare that the Feds failed the trust and hence claim the land for the state. Make the Feds do something about taking it back.

And if many of the states do this simultaneously it would increase the effectiveness of the move imho.

Just take it. Isn't that what they would do? Just freakin' take it.

9 posted on 04/19/2014 6:17:31 AM PDT by Principled (Obama: Unblemished by success.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Land is worth $20 Trillion?


10 posted on 04/19/2014 6:18:19 AM PDT by Principled (Obama: Unblemished by success.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; xzins; BuckeyeTexan; Jim Robinson

Clive Bundy has started a movement that is 100 years late in coming. The simple fact of the matteris that federal ownership of vast regions of the sovereign states is not authorized by the constitution.

Further federal stewardship of those lands has been a disaster.

It is long past time that this illegal domination of the states ends.

And it is long past time that we allow the Harry Reid’s of this country to continue to use the power of the government to line their pockets and enrich themselves and their families.

Clive Bundy is a brave and courageous American Patriot. He was 20 years ahead of his time. Perhaps if a hundred other ranchers had joined him 20 years ago and drew the line in the sand against the BLM and the crony politicians, we would not all be suffering from the heavy oppression of the boot of the tyrannical environmentalist nazis and their crony capitalist sponsors.

I Stand With Bundy!


11 posted on 04/19/2014 6:18:55 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

the citizens of the united states


12 posted on 04/19/2014 6:22:19 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Principled

the mineral rights alone are probably worth more.


13 posted on 04/19/2014 6:22:41 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

In the Constitution, there is no provision for the United States to own any land that is not directly associated with conducting the business of government and provision for military bases and arsenals. There is no provision for national parks, land management, national forests, those are all the legacy of the first round of progressives to invade the halls of government with ill intent to the citizens.

The land was “stolen” from its rightful owners, the states, when the western states were formed. Just take it back and give to them.


14 posted on 04/19/2014 6:24:27 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This is the way to go, Call the Feds and tell em its a ‘compromise’. The BLM takes its army and leaves Nevada, and Nevada will collect the taxes and administer the lands.

This doesn’t wipe clean the injustice of Washington Refusing to sell the land like they did in all the States east of Colorado but it does ease the burden and provide a road-map towards a long term resolution.

Just as importantly it will resolve the issue with Bundy, by allowing the locals and State to take over with appropriate levels of presentation (no armies or bulling).

It also makes the injustice facing theses 15 western states less difficult to bare. by giving locals at least some more reasonable say in how the ‘public’ lands upon which their livelihoods depend is administered.

There is no justifiable reason to allow the BLM to build an army and invade Nevada, Utah, California, or any of the other 15 western states they now occupy. That is an unacceptable and inappropriate level of force that looks more like an invasion than law enforcement.

Let the people and State of Nevada take care of their own.


15 posted on 04/19/2014 6:28:44 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Let me know how your 120 MPH run down the left side of the freeway works out for you.

Harry Reid just sold a big chunk to China. Some other corrupt poltitician might choose to sell Alaska back to Russia.

The Land, except for military bases and necessary government buildings, does not belong to the federal Goverment. It belongs to the people of the state in which it is bordered.

16 posted on 04/19/2014 6:29:11 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

The land should be turned over to the states period. It should belong to them.


17 posted on 04/19/2014 6:32:42 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Paladin2

Two years or so ago there was a fire in Northern Nevada on BLM and NFS land burned 525 square miles Wiped out some very productive sage hen areas.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/denio-nv/T3GI66HBJKPKC1KJ2

the feds claimed they made it a tier one event but it was poorly managed and all available assets were not put on the fire early on and it wound up getting away from them.
Not the first time nor the last. That said now they are pushing to list sage hens as endangered and stop hunting of them. Incompetence of a bigger plan?


18 posted on 04/19/2014 6:33:45 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: P-Marlowe

huh? what the heck are you talking about?

I just said the federal government should sell all the land in west to the people of the united states and use the money to pay off the national debt.

And some how that makes me love China!?!

lol drink some coffee, because I don’t think you are fully awake this morning.


19 posted on 04/19/2014 6:34:10 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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“the citizens of the united states”

Why should we buy our own land? Our taxes already go to pay for the BLM and their activities. It’s like paying a fee to get your own money out of the bank.

I do see where you are coming from, though. If the land was sold to ranchers, farmers, recreational operators and businesses those purchases, in addition to the taxes generated could be used strictly for debt relief.

With Fracking and new drilling methods, the resources can be harvested without damaging the environment.


20 posted on 04/19/2014 6:34:28 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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