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To: AnAmericanMother

Actually the best predictors of college success are high school grades and AP test scores. The SAT is a lousy predictor of success in anything. I should know, I aced the SAT!


41 posted on 04/18/2014 5:29:04 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on

Don’t worry—a certain percentage of high SAT scores are simply outliers where the results don’t show the test-taker’s true ability. That’s why repeat high scores are more significant than one-time scores. ;-)

And the data show SATs are about as good at predicting college success as are grades alone. AP scores are good too, but less broadly applicable because fewer students take AP classes and tests.


47 posted on 04/18/2014 5:34:03 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: babble-on
The problem is that high school grades are so variable from school to school (and even from track to track) that they generally have lost any value as a predictor. Even back in the 70s, my husband saw folks who were valedictorians of their small rural high school, with a 4.0 average, flame out of Georgia Tech in one quarter. He went to a good quality public school in VA, did not do prep and took the test only once. His SAT verbal scores weren't all that great, but he had an 800 on the math and he did just fine at Tech.

AP test scores are definitely a good indicator, although they are focused on detailed knowledge of one subject rather than general verbal and math ability.

I got a 1598 on the SAT back in the days before they began revising the thing. My daughter got a perfect 2400 (after 3 tries and some tutoring to bring up her 780 math score). We definitely employed a "playing the system" approach, but the whole goal of our high school was to get everybody into the college of their choice. And to equip you to manage when you got there. Absolutely a "prep school" for the college bound, not a general high school.

I would like to see a "two-track" system restored, or a "three track" system: a college prep track, a general business/tech school track, and a babysitting service for kids who do not care to learn and disrupt those who do. But that will NEVER happen - too many people cringe at the idea of admitting that some kids are better equipped to learn than others (whether from native intelligence, hard work, or determination).

65 posted on 04/18/2014 7:09:57 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: babble-on
The SAT is a lousy predictor of success in anything. I should know, I aced the SAT!

It predicted that you are highly adept at test-taking. Nothing more, nothing less. As for success on campus or in the business world, that is entirely different, and the tests are much more subtle.

69 posted on 04/18/2014 7:22:06 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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