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To: Raycpa
But instead he was killed according to dozens of specific prophecies of the old testament exactly as foretold by Jews...

No, I don't think so. The role of the Messiah was to unite the twelve tribes and establish a kingdom of Israel. If he didn't do that (which he didn't) then he didn't fulfill their prophecy.

42 posted on 04/17/2014 12:43:31 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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Bible Prophecy: Isaiah 53:3 says, “He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.”
Fulfillment: John 1:10-11 says, “He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.”

Bible Prophecy: Psalm 41:9 says, “Even my close friend, whom I trusted, he who shared my bread, has lifted up his heel against me.”
Fulfillment: Mark 14:10 says, “Then Judas Iscariot, one of the Twelve, went to the chief priests to betray Jesus to them.”

Bible Prophecy: Zechariah 11:12 says, “I told them, ‘If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it.’ So they paid me thirty pieces of silver.”
Fulfillment: Matthew 26:14-16 says, “Then one of the Twelve - the one called Judas Iscariot - went to the chief priests and asked, ‘What are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?’ So they counted out for him thirty silver coins.”

Bible Prophecy: Isaiah 53:7 says, “He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.”
Fulfillment: Mark 15:5 says, “But Jesus still made no reply, and Pilate was amazed.”

Bible Prophecy: Psalm 22:1-2 says, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning? O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer, by night, and am not silent.”
Fulfillment: Matthew 27:46 says, “About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, ‘Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?’ - which means, ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’”

Bible Prophecy: Psalm 22:7-8 says, “All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads: ‘He trusts in the LORD; let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.’”
Fulfillment: Matthew 27:41-44 says, “In the same way the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders mocked him. ‘He saved others,’ they said, ‘but he can’t save himself! He’s the King of Israel! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, I am the Son of God.’ In the same way the robbers who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him.”

Bible Prophecy: Psalm 22:15 says, “My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth; you lay me in the dust of death.”
Fulfillment: Matthew 27:48 says, “Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a stick, and offered it to Jesus to drink.”

Bible Prophecy: Psalm 22:17-18 says, “I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me. They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.”
Fulfillment: John 19:23 says, “When the soldiers crucified Jesus, they took his clothes, dividing them into four shares, one for each of them, with the undergarment
- See more at: http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/prophecies-fulfilled-by-the-crucifixion-of-jesus-christ-faq.htm#sthash.XoOIGWWg.dpuf


47 posted on 04/17/2014 12:50:40 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: A_perfect_lady
The role of the Messiah was to unite the twelve tribes and establish a kingdom of Israel.

Incredible claims need incredible proof.

Where's yours?

67 posted on 04/17/2014 1:17:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: A_perfect_lady

God inserted a 2,000 year age of grace after the jews rejected Jesus and stoned Stephen. As soon as the time is up things will resume where they were when Christ said what the bible says he said.

All Gods word is true I wish you could see that


68 posted on 04/17/2014 1:18:09 PM PDT by winodog
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To: A_perfect_lady

“The role of the Messiah was to unite the twelve tribes and establish a kingdom of Israel. If he didn’t do that (which he didn’t) then he didn’t fulfill their prophecy”

That was what the Pharisees and Sadducees of the times always had interpreted the prophecies to read...but Jesus said to Pilate..”My kingdom is not of this world, if it was my servants would fight...”

Christ was of the Priestly order of Melchizidek, but the religious leaders of his times were expecting a King and Judge acting out of the priestly order of Aaron and the Levitical lines.

Whether you believe or not is one thing, but we have Jesus own words, at least as depicted in the Bible we have...(whether you believe it or not) who defined his own role to Nicodemus in John 3:16 “For God so loved the World, he gave his only begotten(conceived by the Holy Spirit) Son, that whosoever believes in Him would perish but have everlasting life.

I know you are skeptical of Christianity’s claims, but it least for the narrative’s sake, don’t take Jesus’ own words out of context. Though he came to preach to the Jews first, his ultimate mission was to seek and save that which was lost through out the world. World conquest via a vengeful Messiah was never to be Jesus’ mission. The saving of the world’s lost was Christ’s mission. Even though you are a religious skeptic, at least understand through Christ’s own words(you might qualify them as purported, being a skeptic and “stuff”) what his mission was and still is!


69 posted on 04/17/2014 1:18:44 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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