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To: A_perfect_lady

Your “reading” of scriptures if, in fact, you are referring to these at all in your discussions is shallow, at best. Like the religious-types of Christ’s day “you are mistaken because you do not understand the scriptures or the power of God.”

Christ announces His intention:
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Christ allows Himself to be arrested:
Joh 18:3 Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.
Joh 18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?
Joh 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
Joh 18:7 Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.
Joh 18:8 Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he:

Christ comes before Pilate and Pilate’s trepidation:
Joh 19:6 When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him.
Joh 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.
Joh 19:8 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he was the more afraid;
Joh 19:9 And went again into the judgment hall, and saith unto Jesus, Whence art thou? But Jesus gave him no answer.
Joh 19:10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?
Joh 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
Joh 19:12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him:

God’s judgment against sinners and how He exacts payment:
2Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


221 posted on 04/18/2014 2:00:31 PM PDT by MarDav
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To: MarDav
A-ha. There it is:

Joh 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God. ... Joh 19:9 And went again into the judgment hall, and saith unto Jesus, Whence art thou? But Jesus gave him no answer.(which is very cautious for someone who was there to willingly die)

And there you have it. The Jews said he claimed to be the son of God, but Jesus wouldn't admit to it in front of Pilate. Know why? Because part-n-parcel of that was the prophecy of him being King of a reunified Israel, wrested from Roman control. So Jesus makes evasive responses like "my kingdom is in another world," and "whatever happens is God's will," and Pilates responds, "Okay, whatever, this kook isn't my concern." The Jews crucify him because they are his political enemies, and that was the end of it. All the rest is legend. Followers adding their own "Oh, Pilates was scared!" (But not scared enough to simply imprison Jesus and promise a lengthy investigation-- a face-saving measure any politician knows how to do. He didn't bother because he didn't care.)

You are living your life studying the legends of some other culture's Che Guevara.

223 posted on 04/18/2014 2:13:52 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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