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Japan's indigenous stealth fighter to fly this year amid arms race worries
South China Morning Post ^ | Wednesday, 16 April, 2014 | Julian Ryall

Posted on 04/17/2014 5:22:10 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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1 posted on 04/17/2014 5:22:10 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

That is one mean-ass looking plane.


2 posted on 04/17/2014 5:23:45 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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Another opponent of the project might be the United States, Ito said. That is because the ATD-X is an alternative to US-made aircraft.

Well then why not make it a joint venture with the U.S.? Perhaps it could complement the F-22s or replace some of the F-35s that are having so many issues?

3 posted on 04/17/2014 5:25:10 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: sukhoi-30mki

It’s really elegant looking. I think Japan would have an export market for those.


4 posted on 04/17/2014 5:28:27 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: hoagy62

If it is Japanese, don’t be surprised if it has leapfrogged the king of skies, the US F22 which has decades old technology.


5 posted on 04/17/2014 5:35:01 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: hoagy62
Looks like its breaking Mach 1 even sitting still.

Visibility to the rear probably isn't too great, but I don't think it is intended to dogfight. Probably mission parameters are: you never see it coming.

6 posted on 04/17/2014 5:37:52 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

hey I am all for the Japs re-arming. Anything to give the Chinese a bit of diarrhea. Plus they need to stop relying so much on us.


7 posted on 04/17/2014 5:42:39 AM PDT by brooklyn dave ( We need a Klingon for President!)
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The F-35 Program is doing fine .

The program has just completed over 15000 hours flight testing .

To put that into perspective most air forces of the world do not fly their entire fleet of fighter that much in a year or more

8 posted on 04/17/2014 5:43:12 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: staytrue

If it is Japanese, don’t be surprised if it has leapfrogged the king of skies, the US F22 which has decades old technology.


It’s not going to leap frog much of anything if it really has engines with 5000kg of thrust


9 posted on 04/17/2014 5:45:19 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: DoodleDawg
Well then why not make it a joint venture with the U.S.? Perhaps it could complement the F-22s or replace some of the F-35s that are having so many issues?

It boils down to $$$. Lockheed-Martin is looking at multi billion dollar contracts, and the scum in DC are looking at kickbacks from Lockheed Martin and cushy jobs doing nothing at high pay (which incidentally is recycled back in program costs to the taxpayers) if they retire or get voted out.

10 posted on 04/17/2014 5:46:50 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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The F-35 is moving into serial production and will be in squadron service by 2016. Not saying it’s a perfect aircraft. It’s not. But enough of the development problems are behind it that the design can be produced.

This article seems to be confusing the F-22 Raptor with the F-35 Lightning II. Two very different beasts.


11 posted on 04/17/2014 5:58:02 AM PDT by Tallguy
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“It’s not going to leap frog much of anything if it really has engines with 5000kg of thrust”

The raptor engines have about 35000 foot lbs of thrust.

If the number 5000 is metric then this is 5000 kilogram meters of thrust or about 5000x2.2 lbs. per kg x3.1 ft per meter or 6.8 times 5000 ft lbs or 34000 foot lbs. of thrust.

Pretty much the same as the f22 raptor.


12 posted on 04/17/2014 5:58:57 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: DoodleDawg

Japan wanted the F-22 really really bad.

Agreeing with another comment, 20,000lbs thrust from two engines combined seems kind of wimpy, doubt they can make it supercruise.


13 posted on 04/17/2014 5:59:59 AM PDT by blackpacific
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To: hoagy62

Agreed. Looks pretty sweet.


14 posted on 04/17/2014 6:00:38 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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To: blackpacific

Please read post 12

5000 kG meters of thrust equals 35,000 ft lbs. of thrust.


15 posted on 04/17/2014 6:05:24 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: hoagy62

“That is one mean-ass looking plane.”

It is. But keep in mind that it is still just a flying prototype. It will not have a full electronics package (no airborne radar) and no weapons. Prototypes often fly with an engine other than the one that is intended to prove the aerodynamics and gather flight data. We’ve seen projects where the intended engine never arrives at all. Performance targets usually don’t get met when the thrust isn’t there.

There’s a lot of criticism on this forum for the F-35. Keep in mind that whatever the potential for this new Japanese prototype fighter, it’s still just a prototype early in it’s design curve.

Projects like this can take a decade to move from this point to squadron service. Look no further than the Indian experience with their indigenous light-weight fighter/trainer, the Tejas.


16 posted on 04/17/2014 6:05:36 AM PDT by Tallguy
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Visibility to the rear probably isn't too great

I hear they're planning to put rear view mirrors on the fuselage out front of the cockpit.

Either that or rear view TV cams.

17 posted on 04/17/2014 6:10:21 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Looks a bit like an F-22.


18 posted on 04/17/2014 6:24:32 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: hoagy62

I’d like to see them build Valkyries and Alphas.


19 posted on 04/17/2014 6:26:49 AM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Special design to combat enemies of Japan


20 posted on 04/17/2014 6:38:37 AM PDT by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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