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To: kabar

I do believe that those concerns of a huge vacuum in certain jobs if an overnight deportation program were initiated. You can’t just fit any unemployed person into any job. It has to be the right fit, and that takes time.

However, my basic point is that total control of the border, coasts, and visas will take care of the illegal problem.

We don’t need any new laws about green cards, immigration rules, paths to citizenship, etc. Control entry and everything else falls into place.


38 posted on 04/17/2014 6:20:02 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
I do believe that those concerns of a huge vacuum in certain jobs if an overnight deportation program were initiated. You can’t just fit any unemployed person into any job. It has to be the right fit, and that takes time.

This is a phony strawman. "Overnight" or mass deportation is not going to happen. No Congressman has ever proposed it as a solution nor has anyone from any of the major immigration organizations or think tanks. It is ridiculous to bring it up unless you have an agenda, i.e., blanket amnesty.

Are There Really Jobs Americans Won’t Do? A detailed look at immigrant and native employment across occupations

This analysis tests the often-made argument that immigrants do only jobs Americans don't want. If the argument is correct, there should be occupations comprised entirely or almost entirely of immigrants (legal and illegal). But Census Bureau data collected from 2009 to 2011, which allows for detailed analysis of all 472 separate occupations, shows that there were only a handful of majority-immigrant occupations. Thus, there really are no jobs that Americans won't do. Further, we estimated the share of occupations that are comprised of illegal immigrants, and found that there are no occupations in which the majority of workers are illegally in the country.

Among the findings:

Of the 472 civilian occupations, only six are majority immigrant (legal and illegal). These six occupations account for 1 percent of the total U.S. workforce. Moreover, native-born Americans still comprise 46 percent of workers even in these occupations.

Many jobs often thought to be overwhelmingly immigrant (legal and illegal) are in fact majority native-born:

Maids and housekeepers: 51 percent native-born

Taxi drivers and chauffeurs: 58 percent native-born

Butchers and meat processors: 63 percent native-born

Grounds maintenance workers: 64 percent native-born

Construction laborers: 66 percent native-born

Porters, bellhops, and concierges: 72 percent native-born

Janitors: 73 percent native-born

There are 67 occupations in which 25 percent or more of workers are immigrants (legal and illegal). In these high-immigrant occupations, there are still 16.5 million natives — accounting for one out of eight natives in the labor force.

High-immigrant occupations (25 percent or more immigrant) are primarily, but not exclusively, lower-wage jobs that require relatively little formal education.

In high-immigrant occupations, 59 percent of the natives have no education beyond high school, compared to 31 percent of the rest of the labor force.

Some may think that native-born workers in high-immigrant occupations are mostly older, with few young natives willing to do such work. But 34 percent of natives in these occupations are age 30 or younger, compared to 27 percent of natives in the rest of labor force.

It is worth remembering that not all high-immigrant occupations are lower skilled. For example, 36 percent of software engineers are immigrants as are 27 percent of physicians.

A number of politically important groups tend to face very little job competition from immigrants (legal and illegal). For example, just 10 percent of reporters are immigrants, as are only 6 percent of lawyers and judges and 6 percent of farmers and ranchers.

Estimates of Illegal Immigrants

We find that there are no occupations in the United States in which a majority of workers are illegal immigrants.

Illegal immigrants work mostly in construction, cleaning, maintenance, food service, garment manufacturing, and agricultural occupations. However, the overwhelming majority of workers even in these areas are native-born or legal immigrants.

Although illegal immigrants comprise a large share of workers in agriculture, farm workers are only a tiny share of the total labor force. Consistent with other research, just 5 percent of all illegal immigrants work in agriculture.

However, my basic point is that total control of the border, coasts, and visas will take care of the illegal problem.

Cutting off the job magnet is most important. Mandatory e-verify and tough employer penalties will aid in that effort.

We don’t need any new laws about green cards, immigration rules, paths to citizenship, etc. Control entry and everything else falls into place.

We need to reduce legal immigration from the current 1.1 million a year to far less, e.g., around 300,000. And we should move to a merit based system vice the current kinship system.

45 posted on 04/17/2014 6:46:22 AM PDT by kabar
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