“What was the weather 500 years ago? 5,000 years ago? Or 20,000 years ago, when sea levels were so low that the Florida peninsula was more than TWICE as big as it is now? Sgt Hooper, that was only 20,000 years ago, before humans were around to anguish over rising sea levels covering more than half of the Florida peninsula with water.”
Why are you taking this away from the context of cattle grazing? Take those cattle of the grazing land now, and I am willing to bet the land will revert back to what it was BEFORE the cattle were introduced, within 30 years, or less. And if you think the weather will change that radically in that timeframe, and in that domain you are wrong.
“We are mold on a cheeseball on this planet, and God is our host. We are along for the ride.”
Agree.
“We don’t control the climate — it controls us.”
Duh, really?
“125,000 years ago, sea levels were so HIGH that the Florida peninsula was only half the size it is now; you can even see traces of the old coastline today. But that was 125,000 years ago, l-o-o-o-o-ng before humans could gnash their teeth and drive themselves crazy over the receding waters “endangering” so much wetland.”
Again, waaaaay out of the cattle grazing context.
“There is zero status quo in nature; there is nothing to “revert” to.”
Really, for those that live in the country, stop mowing the yard, stop maintenance and upkeep, stop everything, and see how long it take for mother nature to wipe out any semblance of prior human habitation on that land. We are not talking thousands of years but decades.
As I indicated prior, reversion is to some prior point due in large part to the weather all other things being equal. Reversion occurs whether you care to admit or not. That is the truth.
“Nature operates with zero, zilch, big fat donut hole, regard to man; we’re just another critter in the system with as much potential to alter things that won’t mean a hill of beans 50,000 years from now.”
Keep it in the cattle grazing context, which term is significantly less (by factors) than 50,000 years.
Well, I took a course back when in North American Archaeology from a real heretic who said Clovis wasn’t the first here, and that conditions were ripe for human migration as far back as 64,000 years ago. There might have been someone here to rue the higher high tides, even as the weather seemed warmer. Pre-Clovis discoveries have been happening (just had to dig a little deeper).
I am a cottage gardener from scratch and can tell you that nothing reverts to what it was before, ever. Things adapt and change, ever so slightly over the years, but if you took the cattle away now, what would come back would be different. Just as good, but different. There is no status quo.
But all of that is beside the point. Bundy is what, the last of 59 cattle ranches the Feds have forced out of existence, many of the ranches going back four and five generations! They have done the same with commercial fisheries on the coasts.
And they are the same with energy producers, coal, gas, oil. Barbaric people live in their own filth, so third world countries are polluted and vile. The civilized West cleans up after itself, so we have (or had) thriving agricultural and fishing industries, with regulation that was in pursuit of common sense respect for the resource. But any regulation that seeks to reach a status quo in nature is a very bad destructive regulation because it is trying to preserve dust in the wind.
Nature will overtake everything, yes. In Florida it only takes about three weeks!!! {^) But "the same as it was" 140 years ago? For one thing, you have no way of knowing, and for another, hardly! It doesn't matter anyway, suffice it to say that take livestock out of the picture, it will look different than it does now. But to assume it will "revert" to what it was 140 years ago is bonkers.