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To: unlearner; HiTech RedNeck; Jim Robinson

HiTech does certainly push for gay marriage and without let up, look at this thread and any thread where he is engaged on it.

Nothing can shake Hi from always opposing any political resistance, any legislation, any candidate who opposes gay marriage, at any level, for instance at the federal level in the military, federal employment and immigration, that is why he started with the GOD angle a few years ago, to keep promoting his libertarian positions while sounding too religious to be fighting for what he is fighting for, he does the same on abortion, as he opposes pro-life politics and mocks the political successes of the pro-life movement, and continues his rants against pro-life and pro-marriage politics and legislation, and candidates.

Why you would say something as bizarre as you did about him representing the majority of freepers views, and then instead of describing that majority view as being for traditional marriage, life, and opposing the gay agenda, you described us as, against the “death penalty” for homosexual sex, is sickly dishonest, there is no interest or thought or discussion about the “death penalty” for homosexuals.

We support conservative candidates and conservative politics, small government and marriage, and life, and those apply at all levels, for all candidates, it isn’t small government to be fighting to preserve Obama’s gay marriage at the federal level in the military, and federal employment, and immigration, or fighting against and mocking as “statist” and NON-Christian, social conservatism, yet that is what HiTech is doing, and doing with everything that he can counter the Christians with, for instance, gay marriage in the name of God, and libertarians as being the true faithful and criticizing libertarianism as “blaspheming” the true bible people.

HiTech makes the most Satanic, anti-God, anti-Christian posts we see, in defense of the homosexual agenda, and even abortion when someone can engage him enough on it to get him to speaking openly.


74 posted on 04/17/2014 9:43:49 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12; HiTech RedNeck; Jim Robinson

“Why you would say something as bizarre as you did about him representing the majority of Freepers views, and then instead of describing that majority view as being for traditional marriage, life, and opposing the gay agenda, you described us as, against the “death penalty” for homosexual sex, is sickly dishonest, there is no interest or thought or discussion about the “death penalty” for homosexuals.”

I have. I have pointed out that the Bible says that homosexual sex is a crime that deserves death. The Bible also allows for the possibility of mercy when the death penalty is what we deserve. HiTech RedNeck and you apparently share the same opinion as most Freepers that homosexual sex should not warrant a death penalty. I can respect that and your reasons for it. I am not going to hurl accusations like you are making just because the majority does not agree with me on how I understand the Bible on this topic.

But when the homosexual movement evolves into a new Nazi-like entity, God’s laws about homosexual sex will not seem so radical to those suffering at the hands of people unrestrained by conscience or empathy. We are very close when all fifty states allow homosexuals to be foster and adoptive parents. This is child abuse, and we as a society stand condemned for allowing it to get this far.

We condemn Muslim countries for the abuses of some of their members (and rightly so), but we do not generally accept our own moral failure for such horrible evils. I think our founders would be ashamed of us for being so taken up with food, entertainment, money and comforts of this world that we have never drawn the line in the sand and said enough is enough. We think it is a shame that abortion is legal, it makes us angry that our tax dollars are used to torture and murder, it makes us uncomfortable to think homosexual may be destroying the lives of innocent children because our legal system places children in their care; but ranting and voting have not been enough to stop it. I count myself as not doing my part to stop this. I am not pointing fingers. But our founders, after a long time of patient tolerance finally risked everything for liberty. I think there are still Americans who follow in the same steps, and I hope I will live up to this standard when life and death choices are made.

As I have said before, at the start of this country homosexual sex was criminal with laws on the books making it a capital offense in many cases. Tolerance has taken us this far. And the problem is that MOST Freepers apparently buy into the “consenting adults” theory of morality when it comes to law. This moral position creeped into our society in the late eighteen hundreds and brought with it all of the death and destruction of homosexuality and abortion.

“HiTech makes the most Satanic, anti-God, anti-Christian posts we see, in defense of the homosexual agenda, and even abortion”

Show me the links to these posts. I have seen many posts from HiTech RedNeck and never seen any advocating abortion or homosexual conduct or so-called marriage. He states his views on his about page:

http://www.freerepublic.com/~hitechredneck/

If I am wrong, point it out and I will join you in condemning him, but I do not recall ever seeing what you are describing.

Supporting Rand Paul does not constitute supporting abortion and homosexual marriage. Rand Paul may have bad positions and even voting history on some social issues due to his libertarian views, but he not the Devil incarnate either. You may be right in thinking he will not help further our cause on these issues, but you should make your case for that rather than just write off any of his supporters as fringe. If he is the Republican presidential candidate I don’t know if I can hold my nose and vote for a poor choice of a candidate for the third (or more) time in a row.

We cannot afford to write off anyone who does not tow the line perfectly for conservatism. We MUST engage those who agree and disagree in the marketplace of reason and ideas. We must argue conservatism logically until opposing views are exposed for their error. In my mind that is the value of a forum like this one. Wrong thinking can be corrected. None of us are perfect. I have had to get straightened out my share of times. As I said before, we do not need to form any circular firing squads.


76 posted on 04/17/2014 1:19:30 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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