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To: governsleastgovernsbest

hahahahaha

at the same time, it is too folking late

the error was made in 2008 when the doofus administration took down the missile shield in Poland


9 posted on 04/15/2014 6:13:19 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
...the error was made in 2008 when the doofus administration took down the missile shield in Poland...

obama didn't want to antagonize Putin....

17 posted on 04/15/2014 6:36:51 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: yldstrk; dfwgator
It doesn't have anything to do with the polish missiles.

There are two issues in play and what was Zbig's role in those issues.

First, funding the political opposition or the civil society NGOs. It was Zbig who was the mover in funding the political opposition in Afghanistan, which led to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. I don't know what role Zbig had in arming the opposition in Afghanistan, but the prime mover in that was east Texas democrat Charlie Wilson(Charlie's War) Then bring that forward to funding the NGOs and political opposition in Ukraine for the Orange Revolution and again to the most recent uprising what was the funding. Keep in mind that Putin cut off the US AID money going to the Russian NGOs and threw Pussy Riot in jail.

The other issue is what commitments were or were not made during the 2 plus 4 German Re-unification treaty negotiations over expanding to the east and/or Ukraine(EU, NATO, US). Gorbachev says the commitments were made, but Robert Zoellick(US negotiator) said no commitments were made. And Zbig was an outspoken supporter of expansion. Amongst the Realists, Zbig and Bob Gates are the most hawkish.

As for premise in the article that Zbig is an advisor to Obama, I don't see that. OTOH, Republican Realists such as Colin Powell, Kissinger, Lugar, Scowcroft, Gates, and Hagel have been.

Its probably not a good idea to escalate over Ukraine. Time is on the side of the west. Its really a demographic conflict in Ukaraine. Younger, urban, and better educated versus older, rural, and less educated.

22 posted on 04/15/2014 7:14:33 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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