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Justice Stevens and Flexible History: Former justice claims 2nd Amendment not an individual right
Pajamas Media ^ | 04/13/2014 | Clayton Cramer

Posted on 04/13/2014 12:04:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 04/13/2014 12:04:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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2 posted on 04/13/2014 12:06:58 PM PDT by EEGator
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painfully and slow


3 posted on 04/13/2014 12:08:20 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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I wonder why it’s sandwiched in between all the other individual rights at the front end of the Bill of Rights. Seems like the standing army was dealt with in the constitution itself. Why sandwich more about it right between the freedoms defined in the 1st amendment and quartering of solders in our houses found in the 3rd.


4 posted on 04/13/2014 12:10:34 PM PDT by ilgipper
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This old coot should rinse out his drool cup and take a long nap.


5 posted on 04/13/2014 12:12:37 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Don't tell me, I'll tell you.)
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Stop with the sucking of our oxygen, Stevens. You had more than enough time wreaking liberal judicial havoc upon this country.

This liberal f*** is apparently unaware that the author of the 2nd Amendment, George Mason said later it was SPECIFICALLY meant to be an individual right!!

BTW, Gerald Ford — wherever you are — curse you for foisting that nasty old leftist onto the country.


6 posted on 04/13/2014 12:15:28 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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Principals and rules apply ONLY when the left wants them to.


7 posted on 04/13/2014 12:15:42 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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In the 1870s and 80s the drovers on trail drives were better armed than a platoon of cavalry. I don’t believe you will find any effort from that time to legally challenge that expressive demonstration of the 2nd Amendment.


8 posted on 04/13/2014 12:20:10 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (.You have never tasted freedom, else you would know it is purchased not with gold but with steel)
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Sorry Johnny but the Second Amendment IS AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT if the American people say it’s an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT. The Founding Fathers did not write the Bill of Rights so a bunch of stupid old buffoons on some court could decode them in the future. Go away. Just go away you retarded old coot.


9 posted on 04/13/2014 12:21:50 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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***“For more than 200 years following the adoption of that amendment, federal judges uniformly understood that the right protected by that text was limited in two ways: First, it applied only to keeping and bearing arms for military purposes….”***

NOT SO! Before the Civil War, the SCOTUS stated in Dred Scott VS Sanford, that one of the rights free blacks would have was “The right to go about armed wherever they went.”

After the Civil War, when blacks were arming themselves, they looked at it and said that it applied ONLY to militias.

Gotta get those guns out of the hands of blacks, you understand.


10 posted on 04/13/2014 12:21:55 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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First, it applied only to keeping and bearing arms for military purposes….”

Sure Justice Stevens, just like you shouldn't be able to comment because the First amendment only applied for a political purpose. Right?

We are ruled by idiots, and felons.

5.56mm

11 posted on 04/13/2014 12:26:35 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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so he thinks the founders would be ok with ony the govt having guns?

really?

then why did they have a problem with the govt coming to pick up said weapons in Concord and Lexington?


12 posted on 04/13/2014 12:30:31 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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Wasn’t this old buffoon on the same “court” that decided that the Founding Fathers wanted women to have a right to murder Americans while they are in the womb? Stuff it JP!


13 posted on 04/13/2014 12:36:20 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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Wiki:The Court also presented a parade of horribles argument, based on the Privileges and Immunities Clause of Article IV, listing what the Court considered to be the inevitable and undesirable effects of granting Scott's petition:

"It would give to persons of the negro race, ...the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, ...to sojourn there as long as they pleased, to go where they pleased ...the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went."

While that Supreme Court was whacked enough to not consider even free blacks to be people/citizens capable of having standing to sue...even they recognized the basic right of citizens to possess and carry arms, without question and fundamental. Only real people have the right to keep and bear arms wherever they go.

14 posted on 04/13/2014 12:45:22 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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The above is from the Dredd Scott decision.


15 posted on 04/13/2014 12:47:01 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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All the other first ten amendments are individual rights, but the second is not because the founders wanted to deliberately confuse the issue?


16 posted on 04/13/2014 12:49:27 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
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I say different, and I don’t care what any ex or present Justices say. It isn’t up to them.


17 posted on 04/13/2014 12:53:08 PM PDT by pallis
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I don’t give a f*** what you think, John.

Come take it, brah.


18 posted on 04/13/2014 12:56:55 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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How come Republican Presidents have a knack for selecting Justices who turn out to be liberals? Democrat Presidents never seem to have the opposite problem.


19 posted on 04/13/2014 1:05:29 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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That was a few years earlier, in 1973. Stevens was not on the SCOTUS until 1975.


20 posted on 04/13/2014 1:11:23 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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