Posted on 04/11/2014 10:01:47 AM PDT by lowbridge
So did Steve Largent, and it hurt him in his OK governor's race later.
Some of them are unelectable.
Ultimately Politics is the art of the possible, not the desirable. We need to focus on winning, races and control before we focus on pushing agenda.
Washington is a problem and while controlling Washington won’t solve our problems that stem from Washington.
Such control as temporary as it may be will at least give us leverage we need to demonstrate the danger and unreliability of that fire to the rest of our ‘countrymen’.
Like it or not we need the ‘RINOs’ for now.
“I’m sure there are a lot of “Tea Party Kooks” sponsored by the dims and dressed to tug at conservative heartstrings and sabotage the election.”
Every one of them that runs as a 3rd party is just such a Kook. You can’t win in a 3 way race, all you can do is lose.
There are many similarities between radical anti-God liberals and libertarians.
The effectiveness of libertarians is in advancing left wing social liberalism, not in advancing conservative ideals of limited government.
Drugs and immigration and abortion and the homosexual agenda are easy and immediate politics, while the hard slogging conservative goals of small government and the end of welfare and social programs are made less possible, by the libertarian/liberal efforts and goals.
“Remember Elian Gonzalez, the Cuban refugee boy that the Clinton administration sent back to Fidel Castro’s regime back in 2000? Mike Reagan argued with enthusiasm and passion for sending the boy back to Castro.”
I didn’t realize the boy was sent back to Castro. I thought the boys father was where he was sent.
That’s all true - but doesn’t change the history as it turned out - in fact, it demonstrates the divide in the TP movment.
They took this guy off the air in my area long ago. Didn’t know he sold out to the GOPe? Honestly, I didn’t even know this guy still had a media job. He must be channeling with his step-siblings Ron Jr and Patti again. Wow, I loved the old man but his children are another story.
“LOL, that’s nice, but the tea party as a whole is what conservative politics usually is, Christians and conservative, not libertarian.”
Here is the problem. There aren’t enough of the “Christians and conservative” type you like the best, to win. Therefore coalitions are needed in order to win.
And demographics are not moving in our direction either.
You form a coalition with libertarians, you win, you both get your views aired, and the marketplace of ideas decide.
You insist on no coalition, you lose. It is just that clear cut and simple.
True the same name as one of the best presidents Ronald Reagan. Well, you’ve probably knew that already.
“The” divide in the tea party is between the leftist politics of the libertarians against the conservatives and Christians?
We lose if we become liberals and adopt the left’s social destruction of America, which would also destroy our goals to return to the conservative, small government before the left and libertarians started rolling up 50 years of success on the very issues that you and Rand Paul are telling me that we need to unite with them on.
You are talking about adopting a libertarian political platform which is in opposition to conservatism and is two thirds left wing.
It is better to educate voters in conservatism and fight the left, rather than join it.
Note none of these issues have anything to do with Christianity, per se..
It is only GOPe trolls on this site who keep trying to divide conservatives and Tea Party by making us the inheritors of The Moral Majority — which tea party is definitely not.
The GOPe fixation on Tea Party religious affiliation should be turned back on them...the scary truth for the GOPe is that basic Tea Party principles are cross party American beliefs-- the Establishment cannot allow the message to leak into independent or moderate democratic thinking -- they need to use the wedge of old time Falwell politics to try to keep Tea Party down.
All the above discussion on the religious makeup of Tea Party seems like GOPe troll bait to me...
I agree with JimRob' anti GOPe sentiments above!
eni
Interesting comments, and I largely agree…with a few caveats. I don’t know about any GOPe trolls on this site - and I think everyone on this thread is in agreement with anti GOPe sentiments.
And the GOPe certainly thinks, like Bush did, that all “conservatives” - (who the hell ever they are in the mind of the estab type) - can be bought with a few bones for pro life, etc. That’s why they’re co opting Huckabee, thinking he’s their ticket into the TP.
He is not, but he is a ticket into the unthinking among the social ONLY cons.
I don’t think anyone has ever seen any such “GOPe fixation on Tea Party religious affiliation”, so you made that up.
You made it up to hide the fixation of social liberals/libertarians on the Tea Party religious affiliation to continue the effort to divide and defeat conservatism.
Why would it bother you that tea party members and supporters, know that they are typical for true conservatives, and are more religious and more social conservative than typical republicans, and much, much, more so, than the libertarians who are always trying to move the GOP even farther left than the one the tea party is fighting?
If the tea party doesn’t want to be ambushed by the left/libertarians, then they need to know that their fellow tea party members are not libertarians/rinos.
RAND PAUL: “I think that the Republican Party, in order to get bigger, will have to agree to disagree on social issues,” Paul advised. “The Republican Party is not going to give up on having quite a few people who do believe in traditional marriage. But the Republican Party also has to find a place for young people and others who don’t want to be festooned by those issues.”
His adopted mother was Jane Wyman. He was born in Los Angeles, California, to Irene Flaugher, an unwed woman from Kentucky who became pregnant through a relationship with U.S. Army corporal John Bourgholtzer. He was adopted by Ronald Reagan and Jane Wyman shortly after his birth.
Wasn’t Michael the only Reagan who got along with both Jane and Nancy?
Leni
No. The GOP had as much or more to do with destroying them as the democrats did. I still remember Rove throwing a fit on TV when he found out that O’Donnell beat his butt buddy Castle in the primary and saying that we would see if she can win the general with no support from the party or words to that effect. Time after time the GOP jerks have excoriated conservative candidates for making a stupid statement, while failing to pounce on stupid statements made by the ‘Rats, who are their supposed opposition. The past couple of election cycles have shown me that the GOP-E would rather lose a seat to the ‘rats than have a conservative win it.
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