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California's Anti-GMO Hysteria
National Review Online ^ | March 31, 2014 | Henry Miller

Posted on 04/01/2014 4:02:25 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 04/01/2014 4:02:25 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
All food has already be genetically “engineered” since the beginning of civilization. Even our blood type changed when farming started.

Oh, yes stay away from “Organic grown stuff” and especially free range chicken and their eggs. Chickens running around catch all kinds diseases and ailments, and generate toxins and vermin in side, while chickens raised in secure environment, are kept away from viruses etc, and as a result are safer. Same with vegtables etc.

2 posted on 04/01/2014 4:12:24 PM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: stubernx98

There is a difference between gene inserted glyphosate and seed breeding, one contains an untested chemical, the other contains natural hybridization.
Go for it!


3 posted on 04/01/2014 4:34:06 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: neverdem

What Monsanto does in labs to produce it’s genetically modified seeds and what Luther Burbank did in creating hybrid crosses from many plant varieties are two entirely different things, and it’s totally dishonest to pretend they are the same.


4 posted on 04/01/2014 4:39:55 PM PDT by Will88
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To: neverdem; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks neverdem.


5 posted on 04/01/2014 5:13:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Obama is now making Jimmy Carter look like Attila the Hun. /focus/news/3138768/posts)
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To: stubernx98

We need to be careful not to respond with “knee jerk” reactions just because we are conservatives. I am a Conservative to my very core, but also understand that the output of today’s “Factory Farming” is a horrific mix of filth, disease, and antibiotics to cost effectively counter the filth and disease. Animals are squeezed into tiny cages, they linger in their own feces, and are pumped full of antibiotics to fight the disease inherent in these conditions. You say no to “Organic” and “Free Range”...personally, I will gladly pay extra for that diseased filth we call Supermarket Meat NOT to go into my Grandchildren Stomachs, and NOT destroy their response to Antibiotics which may be needed to save their life someday. Do I agree with State or Federal MANDATES? NO! Do I hope consumers make better CHOICES? YES! Does that make me a bad Conservative?


6 posted on 04/01/2014 5:41:32 PM PDT by NYAmerican
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To: neverdem

Series of videos with some hyperbole and some facts. The monopolizing is a problem, and more original plants, though often yielding less, have survived many more adversities in time and proven themselves in that way.

GMO = Eugenics (!!)
https://www.youtube.com/user/MonsantoMovie/videos


7 posted on 04/01/2014 5:57:23 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: neverdem

A misleading and foolish article.


8 posted on 04/01/2014 6:17:00 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: acapesket
There is a difference between gene inserted glyphosate and seed breeding, one contains an untested chemical, the other contains natural hybridization.

1. A gene is not a chemical. The RU Ready gene does NOT insert glyphosate chemicals into the plant, it makes the plant resistant to the glyphosate based herbicides.

2. Basic category errors indicate your knowledge base is somewhat limited.

3. Glyphosate is not an untested chemical.

4. You seem to have missed the paragraphs regarding wide cross hybridization and mutagenesis, both of which are unregulated and can and have produced all sorts of previously unknown genetic changes into food crops.

5. Nature moves genes between species without our permission or knowledge all the time. Humans generally only notice it when such change has negative effects on us.

5. Doing it with modern lab technology means the changes are no longer unknown prior to being introduced.

6. Nature or natural processes are not benevolent or benign. The only force with a higher kill rate is government.

9 posted on 04/01/2014 6:27:39 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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Glyphosate gene in crop, sprayed with glyphosate Round up becomes immune to Roundup and spreads to other crops.
I will eat what I feel is not tainted.. you party on Val pal! Eat all of this stuff to your content and feed it to your family.

There has to be a reason that you wish to take the choice away from other Americans to know what they are eating.

This is one of the few times that I agree with the Europeans, Aussies and New Zealanders. Nature did NOT create glyphosate, Monsanto did.

So if you are truly an American who believes in free speech then you will not try to silence those who disagree with you. What’s the harm..two opinions going to hurt your industry?
I don’t know what your motivations are.
Mine are simply to eat food that God intended us to eat.

Live your life happily and with gusto, best wishes.


10 posted on 04/01/2014 6:39:50 PM PDT by acapesket
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Apparently you are unaware that all conventionally grown crops whether they are GMO or not are grown with a variety of herbicides, pesticides and fertilizers. They are all chemicals.

Even organic crops have a list of approved chemicals.

Glyphosate is one of the least toxic (to humans) herbicide there is.

Forced labeling of a non-hazard is not free speech, but its antithesis.

But here’s the real problem regarding nature vs. science in farming. Nature adapts to whatever weed and pest control is used. Science allows man to adapt faster.

If you want to eat your version of what you think God intended us to eat, then I suggest you grow ALL your own food and leave the rest of us alone and stop trying to force labeling on us.

That’s freedom.


11 posted on 04/01/2014 7:24:28 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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Well actually, I do grow most of my own food.
Call me when you can prove glyphosate is non toxic to chemically sensitive people.

Science is now a a load of bullcrap that is altered according to Grant Money.

Global Warming…anyone?
Mercury in your teeth..anyone?
Flouride in your water..anyone?
Antibacterials in your soap …anyone?
Sodium Laureth sulfate in your shampoo…?
Ethylene Glycol in your Antifreeze ..anyone?
Apparently unaware…anyone?


12 posted on 04/01/2014 7:35:07 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: NYAmerican

It doesn’t make you a bad conservative, just a foolish one.

However, the good news is there are entire food sections, and even food chain stores, that have sprung up just to fleece, uh, serve you.


13 posted on 04/01/2014 7:39:47 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: Valpal1
They are all chemicals.

Everything is a chemical.

14 posted on 04/01/2014 7:40:55 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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There has to be a reason that you wish to take the choice away from other Americans to know what they are eating.

Au contraire, it is the Luddites who are trying to impose their view of the world on the rest of society.

There are already entire chain stores whose sole target market are those who want to stay away from GMO foods.

Is that enough for the Luddites? Of course not. Like the homosexual lobby, they are so unsure of their beliefs that they must, through the rule of law, deny those of us who prefer lower cost foods any source. Just as the homosexual lobby does.

15 posted on 04/01/2014 7:46:14 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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So in your estimable opinion.. as an alleged “luddite” I wish to put all farmers out of business? Or would that just be CAFO farmers and not the smaller independent organic/self run Farmers.?
Luddites destroyed all manufacturing machinery because they could not let go of the past.
We simply want the good guys to have a chance at a future without Government interference and grow their own food as they see fit.

Good gracious! I guess “Luddites” cannot be Conservative .
Or perhaps purists cannot get out of their fundamentalism?

Color me convinced.


16 posted on 04/01/2014 7:56:21 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

OMG, we’re all gonna die from chemical exposure! Or worse, exposure to elements.


17 posted on 04/01/2014 8:01:39 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: acapesket

Steve Forbes has used the phrase ‘Food Luddites’ in some of his writings about the closed minded approaches of many ignorant people towards modern methods of food production. It’s a good description, which is why I’ve adopted it too.

He properly has noticed that the Food Luddites want to destroy all of the food producing machinery that has been put in place over the decades by farmers, scientists, and agricultural specialists.


18 posted on 04/01/2014 8:04:19 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: acapesket
We simply want the good guys to have a chance at a future without Government interference and grow their own food as they see fit.

The above statement conflicts with your desire for additional regulation through more labeling requirements.

If you indeed want less interference with farmers then you would let farmers decide whether they want to be CAFO or not. The fact is, the EPA definitions allow it to designate any livestock producer they want as a CAFO, irrespective of reality or reason.

19 posted on 04/01/2014 8:16:49 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Valpal1

hey Val! I didn’t say “d*ck” about the EPA and yes indeedie do believe that people have a right to know what they are buying to put in their bodies. If you choose to be CAFO and you think it’s so wonderful then declare it proudly.
Why is it so hard to understand that people would like to know that they are eating non GMO.
If you are so opposed and so convinced that CAFO is better then why stop the organic Farmers from declaring that theirs are not?

How about just labeling non GMO and then we won’t buy CAFO?

HMMM


20 posted on 04/01/2014 9:30:10 PM PDT by acapesket
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