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To: thetallguy24

Yeah, Jesus was never rigid. Oh wait...
“He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.” Matthew 12:30


I’ve always been challenged when attempting to reconcile that scripture with this one:

Luke 19:50
But Jesus said to him, “Do not hinder him; for he who is not against you is for you.”


2 posted on 03/24/2014 7:44:53 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

To Jesus, the world is binary - either you are with Him or you are not. There is no middle ground. So it does not matter which way you say it. Either, “if you are not for me you are against me”, or, “if you are not against me you are for me”. To Jesus, they both mean the same thing.


6 posted on 03/24/2014 7:51:18 AM PDT by impactplayer
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To: cuban leaf

Context is everything. A man was casting out demons. There was no “offense” against Jesus in this verse but the Apostles thought their rights and privileges were being usurped by the man and He corrected them. Matt 12:30 is speaking to offenses against Jesus.


11 posted on 03/24/2014 7:54:47 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: cuban leaf

Those are two different scenarios so no reconciliation is needed. Luke 19:50 is talking about somebody doing things in Jesus’ name and Matthew 12:30 is for that who actively oppose or reject Jesus Himself.


18 posted on 03/24/2014 8:00:33 AM PDT by sigzero
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To: cuban leaf
In Matthew He was talking about people being against Him as the Christ.

In Luke He was talking about the disciples being upset that there were others outside their group who were calling on His name.

Entirely different cases

23 posted on 03/24/2014 8:08:07 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: cuban leaf

I’ve always been challenged when attempting to reconcile that scripture with this one:
Luke 19:50
But Jesus said to him, “Do not hinder him; for he who is not against you is for you.”


What version are you quoting from. NIV, KJV, NLT, others stop at verse 48 in Luke 19.


49 posted on 03/24/2014 9:11:01 AM PDT by ne1410s (2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.)
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To: cuban leaf; ne1410s
Excuse me, cuban leaf, but you haven't answered ne1410s’ question: where DID you find Luke 19:50? I've done an online search of several scriptures and my own copies and I cannot even find that quote--besides, that chapter ends at verse 48! I am hoping you misquoted something else or used you own version from whatever ‘Christian’ church you belong to.
70 posted on 03/24/2014 2:11:42 PM PDT by egfowler3 (Why do I even bother? No one's listening.)
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