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Obama’s pathetic response to Putin’s invasion of Crimea
Washington Post ^ | March 20, 2014 | By Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 03/20/2014 11:06:19 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: dfwgator

I guess that’s where we’re at. Who could have seen it coming?


21 posted on 03/21/2014 12:01:00 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: SpaceBar

I’ve been to four combat zones on three continents in uniform. Besides being crude, your comment is more telling about you than about me.


22 posted on 03/21/2014 12:01:51 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom.)
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To: elhombrelibre

It’s not just liberals logic here...

You also have the isolationist republicans and libertarians.

The Ukraine like Georgia, never had a chance..


23 posted on 03/21/2014 12:02:34 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: dfwgator; All

24 posted on 03/21/2014 12:03:21 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Cold Heat

Isolationism worked so well the last time we tried it, too.


25 posted on 03/21/2014 12:04:17 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom.)
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To: elhombrelibre

If you book your flight early you can make it five.


26 posted on 03/21/2014 12:04:55 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

And you’re taunting me because you’re a crude and stupid Putinista or because you’ve nothing else to offer to the discussion?


27 posted on 03/21/2014 12:07:12 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom.)
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To: elhombrelibre
yeah, your right, but they keep trying it.

Just like the boneheaded commies...

Frankly, I don't see how the US can possibly prosecute a war anymore, unless it's really short...

Learned that lesson in Korea, Nam..., Iraq, Now Afghanistan.

Just plain stupid and you can't fix that.

China and Russia will be dividing up the US as personal property in a few decades.

28 posted on 03/21/2014 12:10:53 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: elhombrelibre

I respect your service to the country, but the US doesn’t need to be embroiled in yet another hot-spot, and in this case Russia’s back yard. Obama has essentially neutered us militarily and eastern europe/asia is in flux. The last thing we want is the current administration to “fix” it.


29 posted on 03/21/2014 12:27:19 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: elhombrelibre
It’s typical liberal logic that the victim gets no help and the aggressor gets a pass and often even an apologist will explain why the aggressor was really in the right.

You are correct sir, but this is Obamaworld where up is down, in is out, light is dark at the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time.

30 posted on 03/21/2014 12:27:47 AM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: elhombrelibre
And Putin is not Hitler. Hitler was smarter, more cunning, and an extreme pathological racist on a mission. Putin is just a nationalist and a bureaucrat. Like the proverbial scorpion, don't ask why it stings you.
31 posted on 03/21/2014 12:31:38 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: tcrlaf
Yes, Russia's debt is lower, but that's irrelevant because they have 200 billion of bonds to work with. We have more than enough money to cushion that impact just by buying up bonds with just the daily operating balance of the Treasury. (120 billion) of which we could safely spend about 80b~.

But here's why they will lose any bond-selling spree:

1)America's economy is the size of about 10 Russia's combined. They will have to sell a proportionately larger amount of bonds in order to cause an impact, which they don't have. Since their economy is a fraction of ours, the billions they lose selling them hurt a lot more than the billions we spent buying them.

2)America happens to be the de facto global currency, which means we are the only country that can borrow at massive levels (Something Hussein's been abusing to the max). Even if somehow they get another 100 billion bonds to be sold by China (not going to happen) we could then issue some new bonds. Whoop de whoop.

They just don't have enough bonds.

32 posted on 03/21/2014 12:34:49 AM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: elhombrelibre

GoldenstateGOP has a chubby for Putin.


33 posted on 03/21/2014 12:50:04 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: Jim Robinson
Early in the Ukraine crisis, when the Europeans were working on bringing Ukraine into the EU system and Vladimir Putin was countering with threats and bribes, one British analyst lamented that “we went to a knife fight with a baguette.”

Oh, really Charlie?

From UK financial reporter and blogger, Richard North: The EU has been meddling in the internal politics of Ukraine, not least through the sinister-sounding "Eastern Partnership Civil Society Forum". Rampantly pro-EU, the Ukraine "national platform" was established on 29 January 2011 at its founding conference in Kiev.

This organisation has provided an open site for a multiplicity of NGOs, specifically directed at "discussions, consultations, information activities in the implementation framework of the Eastern Partnership policy". Components of this Forum have been funded by the EU, and by other agencies, including funding from the Swedish government.

The extent of funding to the Eastern Partnership is colossal. Between 2011 and 2013, just EU spending on Ukraine was €389 million with €13,524,357 given to single beneficiaries in 2012. As much again was given to multiple recipients. But even more sinister is the way money was parcelled out to NGOs in relatively small packages, making a little go a long way.

Thus we have the Agency for Legislative Initiatives Citizens Association, getting €158,986; the All-Ukrainian Environmental NGO Mama-86, getting €194,942; the All-Ukrainian Non Governmental Organization Committee of Voters of Ukraine (CVU) with €245,350, the Centre for European Initiatives Civic Organisation (CEI) getting €101,180, the Charitable Foundation Democratic Initiatives (DIF) walking away with €54,918 and the All-Crimean Association of Voters for Civil Peace and Interethnic Harmony (CRPO) getting €20,304.

These and hundreds of other organisations have their noses in the EU trough, all dedicated, as the Civil Society Forum website openly admits, to bringing Ukraine "closer to the EU both politically and economically".

North's Blog

So it seems the EU was using threats and bribes as much as Russia, but portray themselves as bagel toting unicorn riders.

34 posted on 03/21/2014 12:51:21 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Dr. Pritchett

95%

Occupied by Russians.
Media blackout by Russians.
Ballot with only 2 “Yes” options, No way to vote no.
Ballots counted by, guess who.

Soviet style election with , surprise, Soviet style results.


35 posted on 03/21/2014 12:52:43 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: Jim Robinson

Now you say you’re lonely
You cried the long night through
Well, you can Crimea river, Crimea river
I cried a river over you

Now you say you’re so tough
While being a dweeb punk
Well, you can Crimea river, Crimea river
I cried, cried, cried a river over you

You drove these people, nearly drove them, out of their head
While you could never shed a tear
Remember, We remember, all that you said
You told us trust was too plebeian
Told us you were through with and never true

Now you say, you say you love us
Well, just to pretend that you do
Come on and Crimea river, Crimea river
‘Cause we cried a river cuz of you

You drove the people of Crimea, nearly drove them, out of their head
While you can’t shed a tear
Remember, remember, all that you said
Told us love was too plebeian
Told us you were through with us and…..

Now, now you say you love the Crimeans
Well, just to prove you do
Come on and cry, cry, Crimea river, Crimea river
‘Cause they cried a river over you

If their pillow could talk, imagine what it would have said
Could it be a river of tears surely they cried in bed?
So you can Crimea river
Mac Daddy, go ahead and cry that river
‘Cause they cried, Oh how they cried a river over you
How they cried a river over you


36 posted on 03/21/2014 1:31:57 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: tcrlaf

No Justice!

No piece!


37 posted on 03/21/2014 1:36:51 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Jim Robinson
Sorry, Charles K., I completely reject your analysis.

Ukraine broke away from the Soviet Union about 23 years ago by issuing a Declaration of Independence after the Soviet government started falling apart.

The “Treaty” Ukraine signed with the brand new Russian Federation was a joke.

Russia was led by Boris Yeltsin, a drunkard, a prima donna, and the engineer of the total collapse of the Russian economy.

In 2004, Ukraine's own government started falling apart.

Since 2008, Ukraine's economy has been falling apart.

In 2014, Crimea, which was independent of Ukraine as recently as 1945, and which is about 60% Russian, issued a Declaration of Independence and broke away from Ukraine.

I don't understand why America should risk war with Russia to force Crimea to re-join a dysfunctional and flat broke country like Ukraine.

38 posted on 03/21/2014 1:58:23 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Jim Robinson

What happened to Charles Krauthammer ? Is he out of his mind? Sad to read him nowadays.


39 posted on 03/21/2014 2:04:08 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: tcrlaf

All I see is ... tons of fat.


40 posted on 03/21/2014 2:05:26 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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