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Ukrainian Catholics experiencing 'total persecution' in Crimea
cna ^ | March 19, 2014 | Sonya Bilocerkowycz and Sofia Kochmar

Posted on 03/19/2014 3:22:43 PM PDT by NYer

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To: ansel12

name dropper too


41 posted on 03/19/2014 6:17:46 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: BillyBoy

nicely said


43 posted on 03/19/2014 6:25:00 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Mount Athos
It is very interesting that a Catholic Priest would have a poster of this man on their wall

It shows him to be a good Catholic and a patriot of his country.

44 posted on 03/19/2014 6:25:29 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: bert

Just pointing out the facts, you made such a silly and childish statement.

You can visit JR’s threads and tell him that by not supporting Russian aggression his is outing himself as an Obama man.


45 posted on 03/19/2014 6:27:12 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: steve86; NYer
because they are Catholics vs. persecution of people who are suspected of aiding the "enemy"

The RF under Putin has mentally gone back to the Soviet days. The period of relative liberalization of 1991-2013 is over. The Soviet mentality is that any one Catholic is a foreign agent, simply because he is Catholic.

46 posted on 03/19/2014 6:28:28 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: sergeantdave

For the record I am already working to make sure that O is impeached (at a minimum) and that the spineless congress is replaced.

You made the comment that it was either Putin or Hillary,Kerry,Obama (etc etc)

That logic is ill conceived on a really good day.When you trap yourself in an either or when that is rarely the case you have fallen for the classic Alinsky tactic. (Which you claim to understand).

The fact that you seem to think that we live in a communist dictatorship (which we are get closer and closer to) and you ignore the plight ACTUALLY suffering at the hands of communists suggests a lack of breadth in your thoughts.

It is not either or. I can easily be against BOTH Putin and Obama


47 posted on 03/19/2014 6:29:10 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: sergeantdave

LOL, all they have to do is look at your posting history for Russia’s expansion.

Your real intentions are starting to come out on this thread though also, you couldn’t maintain your lying for long.

You are rabid on this topic, I don’t think you spend much time on some of the Ukraine threads though, the ones that JR posts.


48 posted on 03/19/2014 6:30:57 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Nifster

“It is not either or. I can easily be against BOTH Putin and Obama”

Well stated, Nifster.


49 posted on 03/19/2014 6:32:47 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave

Always good to know we can agree more than disagree. Back in my misspent salad days, I read a book by a fellow named Golitsyn called The Perestroika Deception. At the time, I thought yeah well maybe so but even the communists aren’t so nuts as to try this plan. Boy was I wrong.

If you haven’t read it you should try and track it down. This one will give you nightmares. I am going to have to dig out my copy and read it again now in light of all that has and is happening


50 posted on 03/19/2014 6:36:26 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: annalex

A Catholic Priest hangs a picture on his wall of the founding leader of a faction that massacred tens of thousands of innocent Polish civilians.

And you think this shows him to be a good Catholic?

A group which during his leadership, had this ideology:

“Moskali, Poles, Jews are hostile to us must be exterminated in this struggle, especially those who would resist our regime: deport them to their own lands, importantly: destroy their intelligentsia that may be in the positions of power ... Jews must be isolated, removed from governmental positions in order to prevent sabotage, those who are deemed necessary may only work with an overseer... Jewish assimilation is not possible.”

A faction which the Ukranian Greek Catholic leader has condemned for violence.

Are you also in favor of the violent extermination of minorities?

Do you believe this is consistent with Catholic ideology?


51 posted on 03/19/2014 6:40:05 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Mount Athos

Bandera is a hero of Ukraine and at the time when Ukraine is under a neo-Soviet occupation everyone should have a portrait of Bandera on the wall. Of course, Bandera cannot be responsible for a massacre that occurred while he was in a Nazi jail. My Church teaches me to recognize something good in every person and to forgive past offences, especially done in the name of national liberation. Today, Ukraine needs both courage and the spirit of forgiveness; Fr. Mykola is a good pastor for them. May God bless him.


52 posted on 03/19/2014 6:49:19 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

No...Never Forget...Never Forgive...They could have fought together with Polish Patriots to defeat the Reds, but they decided to murder Polish women and children instead.


53 posted on 03/19/2014 6:50:54 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ansel12

You’re screaming like a lunatic and committing libel.


54 posted on 03/19/2014 6:52:18 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: annalex

I’d like your opinion about Bandera’s ideology as seen here.

“Moskali, Poles, Jews are hostile to us must be exterminated in this struggle, especially those who would resist our regime: deport them to their own lands, importantly: destroy their intelligentsia that may be in the positions of power ... Jews must be isolated, removed from governmental positions in order to prevent sabotage, those who are deemed necessary may only work with an overseer... Jewish assimilation is not possible.”

Do you share Banderas desire to violently destroy minorities?

How about his desire for a totalitarian state?

With Banderas having founded the faction that actually massacred tens of thousands of innocent people, and having had an ideology that advocates the destruction and expulsion of minorities, is this appropriate for a Priest to hang on their wall?


55 posted on 03/19/2014 6:53:44 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: miserare

Some of us are. God be with them.


56 posted on 03/19/2014 6:54:13 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: Mount Athos

Bandera’s gang was as evil as the Ustashe in Croatia.


57 posted on 03/19/2014 6:55:36 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

What do you do when murderous monsters A face off against murderous monsters B. Pick a monster? Actually it IS a sign they need to look to God and quit looking to man.


58 posted on 03/19/2014 6:57:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Nifster

“Back in my misspent salad days, I read a book by a fellow named Golitsyn called The Perestroika Deception. At the time, I thought yeah well maybe so but even the communists aren’t so nuts as to try this plan. Boy was I wrong.”

Thanks for the referral. I’ll give the book a read.


59 posted on 03/19/2014 6:57:20 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Nifster

We are becoming more communist than the Chinese or Russians.

Has Putin lied to you?

Has our President and his administration lied to you?


60 posted on 03/19/2014 7:00:22 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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