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The utter collapse of human civilization will be ‘difficult to avoid,’ NASA funded study says
National Post ^ | 3/18/2014 | National Post

Posted on 03/19/2014 12:15:04 PM PDT by Dallas59

After running the numbers on a set of four equations representing human society, a team of NASA-funded mathematicians has come to the grim conclusion that the utter collapse of human civilization will be “difficult to avoid.”

The exact scenario may vary, but in the coming decades humanity is essentially doomed to some variant of “Elites” consuming too much, “resulting in a famine among Commoners that eventually causes the collapse of society.”

That is, unless civilization is ready for one of two “major policy changes”: inequality must be “greatly reduced” or population growth must be “strictly controlled.”

The apocalyptic pronouncements, set to be published in an upcoming edition of Ecological Economics, come courtesy of a U.S. team led by applied mathematician Safa Motesharrei and funded in part by NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: liberalagenda; muslimoutreach; nasa; sharia; socialism; societalcollapse
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To: Vince Ferrer

“Kind of ironic that instead of complaining about resources limitations, this organization is almost unique in that it has the capability of mining the solar system for resources.”

No it doesn’t. Maybe potential, but no capability.


41 posted on 03/19/2014 12:49:35 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: Dallas59

So the solutions are:

A) Take all the wealth from those who have it and give it equally to those who do not, or
B) Kill off a vast number of the population (Gee...I wounder who they’ll take out first?) until you get to a ‘sustainable’ level.

Excuse me...we have an option ‘C’. If you’re a liberal, a leftist, a commie, or a solcialist, you won’t like it.


42 posted on 03/19/2014 12:53:45 PM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: Dallas59

If the world’s population is indeed too large, I think the traditional means of population control, the coming wars followed by the inevitable famine and pestilence, will reduce the worlds population sufficiently.


43 posted on 03/19/2014 12:55:29 PM PDT by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: Dallas59

What the hell is going on at NASA?...Not enough work to do in space?


44 posted on 03/19/2014 12:58:35 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: I want the USA back

One thing I learned getting my PhD. If computer results cannot be tested against the real world, then they are useless.


45 posted on 03/19/2014 12:59:11 PM PDT by chesley
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To: Abathar
Still need machinery and replacement parts and the skill and fuel and electricity to pump water, etc.... if you are going to feed 300 million people.

And most people these days live on very small plots of land. Certainly not big enough to grow enough food to sustain ourselves. So once the local supermarket runs out of food, we'll all be eying the prairie dogs and pigeons.

46 posted on 03/19/2014 12:59:37 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Dallas59

They say that like its a bad thing.


47 posted on 03/19/2014 1:01:16 PM PDT by jim_trent
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To: Starstruck

There are over 1,300 US Government Agencies. We should shut them all down and let each state decide on whether or to continue funding them in their state.

100 years ago 99% of them did not exist. And, we got along fine without them.


48 posted on 03/19/2014 1:02:00 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Dallas59

Apparently they’ve come to realize that the future is not “Global Warming” but “Little Ice Age”.


49 posted on 03/19/2014 1:02:15 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Dallas59

Somehow I think the “utter collapse” of NASA has already happened.


50 posted on 03/19/2014 1:02:57 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Fuzz

Ok, I’ll give you that. But shouldn’t their rational response be to work out a plan to have that capabilty?


51 posted on 03/19/2014 1:04:13 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Dallas59
After running the numbers on a set of four equations

GIGO - garbage in, garbage out.

What else would expect from these clowns?

52 posted on 03/19/2014 1:06:08 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Dallas59; All

Here is some more info on this over educated f—l.:

Safa Motesharrei
Graduate Research Assistant
ssm@umd.edu
410-919-4810
Safa Motesharrei is a Research Assistant at SESYNC and a PhD candidate in Applied Mathematics/Public Policy at the University of Maryland (UMD), College Park. He has Bachelor degrees in Electrical Engineering and Physics, and Master degrees in Physics and Mathematics from UMD. The focus of his work is on integration of the Human System and Population into the Earth System Models. He works with a cross-disciplinary team of renowned scientists including Eugenia Kalnay (Atmospheric Science), James Yorke (Mathematics), Matthias Ruth (Public Policy), Victor Yakovenko (Econophysics), Klaus Hubacek (Geography), Ning Zeng (Meteorology), and Fernando Miralles-Wilhelm (Hydrology).

Together with Jorge Rivas (Political Science, University of Minnesota) and Prof. Kalnay, Safa has developed a minimal dynamical model of Human and Nature, HANDY, which is the first model that shows not only Ecological Strain, but also Economic Stratification can lead to a societal collapse. Safa plays a leading role in the development of the five-sector Human-Earth System model, which includes Population, Climate, Water, Agriculture, and Energy. This project has received support from NASA.

Safa’s studies were supported by doctoral fellowships from the School of Public Policy and the Department of Mathematics at UMD. In summer 2013, he was named the first recipient of the Lev Gandin Fellowship, awarded by Dr. Genia Brin.


53 posted on 03/19/2014 1:06:42 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: Dallas59
The model was then configured to calculate the fate of several types of societies, including the “unequal society,” a system of rich and poor that researchers dubbed the one most “closely reflecting the reality of our world today.”

Model socialism, get socialism. What a surprise.

54 posted on 03/19/2014 1:07:40 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Dallas59

how can there possibly be overpopulation when we’re sending everyone to colonies on Mars - well, someday


55 posted on 03/19/2014 1:10:17 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: edcoil
I was just looking to see if the movie 2001 was on netflix’s yet, hell it was made in 1968. Nope

Netflix is never going to be a place that has every movie all the time. The studios license some content to them for some certain time. Content comes and goes. 2001 is probably a catalog title that brings in a nice regular income stream through DVD sales and, unusually for an older movie, theatrical rentals so they don't need Netflix to make money on it.

56 posted on 03/19/2014 1:10:52 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Dallas59; ntnychik; potlatch

NASA: Not About Space Anymore

57 posted on 03/19/2014 1:10:56 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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To: Dallas59

This is a prediction straight out of the mouth of Thomas R. Malthus.

Malthus basically said “That the increase of population is necessarily limited by the means of subsistence, and that population does invariably increase when the means of subsistence increase, and, that the superior power of population is repressed, and the actual population kept equal to the means of subsistence, by misery and vice.”

That was more than 200 years ago.

He didn’t account for modern advances in agriculture and technology, plus the desire of the middle class and affluent not to have so many children.

Many, many previously rapidly expanding countries population-wise are now at less than replacement birth rates. And technology marches on. We are very close to massive breakthroughs in DNA technologies applied agriculture, fuel production and quality of life. We continue to see NEW economies created with technologies. Email, smart phones, smart TVs, ebooks, just the last 20 years have seen massive changes.

So do not believe the Malthusians at NASA. This study was paid for, organized by and end results created by government solutionists wanting more power for themselves, bottom line.


58 posted on 03/19/2014 1:12:43 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Dallas59
After running the numbers on a set of four equations representing human society...

Wow! They've come up with a "set of four equations" representing all of human society! Pseudo-science sounding major BS at it's most extreme here.

Let me guess, the equations chart out our demise on a graph shaped like a hockey stick, with the same result all the time no matter what the input variables are?

Where have we seen such quackery before?

59 posted on 03/19/2014 1:17:00 PM PDT by MCH
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To: Dallas59
The utter collapse of NASA has already occurred, so civilization can't be far behind, right?
60 posted on 03/19/2014 1:18:30 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.")
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