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1 posted on 03/13/2014 8:34:40 PM PDT by mandrews222
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To: mandrews222

These authors’ contentions are consistent with the text of the Constitution. A Rep. or a Senator may be naturalized or NBC. A President must be NBC

They do not advert to the fact that there is no evidence that Obama was born on U.S. soil. And, since neither of his parents was legally capable of transmitting citizenship, there is no evidence that Obama is a U.S. citizen.


2 posted on 03/13/2014 8:56:58 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: mandrews222

I say if a Kenyan can so can a Canadian that was really born in the states!! Oh yea he was born in Calgary!!!


3 posted on 03/13/2014 9:07:06 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: mandrews222

No need to have a top ten. All birther arguments are equally stupid.


4 posted on 03/13/2014 9:29:05 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: mandrews222
LOL!

Simple question, what meaning does the word "natural" have, if "natural born citizen" equates to "born citizen"? Because according to the rule of Constitutional construction established by the Supreme Court, ALL words must be construed as having meaning! You can't skip over words.

So what does the word 'natural' mean in the context used? Simple- there are two basic forms of law, positive law, and natural law. So the term-of-art natural born citizen means exactly that, a citizenship n at birth by natural law.

Positive law is all law created by man, such as the Constitution, laws passed by Congress, state and local laws. Natural law are the unwritten laws of nature and the devine.

A simple way of understanding if someone is a natural born citizen is to assume if every law passed by the government, from the Constitution to every lcal ordinance had never been written, would someone still be a citizen? if so, then they are a natural born citizen.

Unfortunately Cruz would not be, without the INA, Cruz would not be a Citizen, therefore he is not a natural born Citizen.

I believe Cruz would make an excellent President, but unfortunately he is not eligible, that is why I have a brief ready to file in the event that he tries to run.

To those who believe that is wrong, how do you choose what parts of the Constitution are worth defending?
5 posted on 03/13/2014 9:39:12 PM PDT by MMaschin
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To: mandrews222; Arthur McGowan; MMaschin; Nero Germanicus; noinfringers2

I finally realized about a year or so ago what “natural born” and “natural born citizen” means...

I grew up in Eastern Virginia (quite a few years ago), where many say the local lingo is, or was, still very similar to the King’s English from the Revolution days.

I remember one kid yelling at another, saying, “Yo’ Momma’s a thief! Yo’ Daddy’s a thief! You a “natural born” thief!”.

(Yes, these were white children. People forget that Southerners, whether black or white, sometimes have a particular patois...)

So, “natural born” doesn’t mean where one was born, but the status of one’s parents. A “natural born citizen” would be someone whose parents are both citizens, then. Too bad all the highly paid lawyers and judges in DC and English professors have forgotten so much of our mother tongue...

FYI, Mark Levin had some good info about this, saying how we can blame John McCain and the RNC for Obama:

McCain wasn’t actually born at the US base in Panama. (US bases overseas are usually considered US territory, aiding the argument that one born on them is a citizen.) As the base hospital was being repaired, his mother had to go to downtown Panama City for the birth, making McCain’s birthplace Panama and not the US. Rather than letting the DNC make a big deal of this publicly during the 2008 campaign, McCain and the RNC privately agreed to not EVER make a big deal about Obama’s place of birth... Thank you, again, John McCain and the eGOP!


8 posted on 03/13/2014 11:08:32 PM PDT by Unc1e_Ivan (People sleep peacefully in bed at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf)
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To: mandrews222; LucyT; null and void; Cold Case Posse Supporter; Flotsam_Jetsome; circumbendibus; ...

“You would also be in agreement with the Congressional Research Service, which published a paper in 2011 reaching the same conclusion.”

IMO the 2011 NBC CRO report was written specifically to provide cover for Barry in the event that it was discovered that he was born in Kenya. The CRO cites the Marguet-Pillado case which I also believe was instigated and decided as a direct result of Orly’s 2009 case before Judge Carter in CA. In Marguet-Pillado the 9th Circus (of course) declares:

“No one disputes that Marguet-Pillado’s requested instruction was “an accurate statement of the law,” in that it correctly stated the two circumstances in which an individual born in 1968 is a natural born United States citizen: (1) that the person was born in the United States or (2) born outside the United States to a biologically-related United States citizen parent who met certain residency requirements.”

See my FR vanity thread:

“Obama cites US v Marguet-Pillado. Dicta implies Obama eligible even if born in Kenya (vanity)”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2857598/posts

Note that the Congressional Research Service has also jumped to endorse the Marguet-Pillado case as affirming that a foreign born child biologically-related to a US citizen is a citizen at birth and thus a natural born citizen and thus eligible to be POTUS:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/74176180/Qualifications-for-President-and-the-%E2%80%9CNatural-Born%E2%80%9D-Citizenship-Eligibility-Requirement

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Concerning the contention made in earlier cases that everyone who is made a citizen only by federal statute is a “naturalized” citizen (even those who are made citizens at birth by statute), itmay be noted that the common understanding and usage of the terms “naturalized” and “naturalization,” as well as the precise legal meaning under current federal law, now indicate that someone who is a citizen “at birth” is not considered to have been “naturalized.”

Justice Breyer, for example, dissenting on other grounds in Miller v. Albright, explained that “this kind of citizenship,” that is, under “statutes that confer citizenship ‘at birth,’” was not intended to “involve[ ] ‘naturalization,’” citing current federal law at 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(23). The Supreme Court recently recognized in Tuan Anh Nguyen v. INS, that federal law now specifically defines “naturalization” as the “conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth,” and thus it could be argued that by current definition and understanding in federal law and jurisprudence, one who is entitled to U.S. citizenship automatically “at birth” or “by birth” could not be considered to be “naturalized.” The United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit has specifically recognized in a recent case that one may be a “natural born” citizen of the United Sates in two ways: either by being born in the United States, or by being born abroad of at least one citizen-parent who has met the residency requirement. In United States v. Carlos Jesus Marguet-Pillado, a case dealing with the propriety of an appeal based on requested jury instructions not given, the court stated:

No one disputes that Marguet-Pillado’s requested instruction was “an accurate statement of the law,” in that it correctly stated the two circumstances in which an individual born in 1968 is a natural born United States citizen: (1) that the person was born in the United States or (2) born outside the United States to a biologically-related United States citizen parent who met certain residency requirements.

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9 posted on 03/13/2014 11:12:09 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: mandrews222

a natural born citizen is a citizen naturally... as there are no alternatives

if you were born with more then one citizenship option... you are not a natural born citizen of any country.

it’s just that simple.

terribly sorry if that bit of logic tosses a spanner into the works for those rabidly trying to deflect any proper scrutiny of his eligibility status


14 posted on 03/14/2014 12:10:50 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: mandrews222

Given the half-truths, outright lies and paucity of verifiable facts that are available about the origins of the apparently gay, marxist, race-bating islamophile figurehead of “the most transparent administration ever,” no one can be certain about aka obama’s nativity and who he really is.

But it is certain beyond a doubt that aka obama has lied about his life’s story for the purposes of getting elected and has committed criminal identity fraud against the American people and very probably is not a natural born Citizen, either of which should have disqualified him from ever becoming the putative president.

How do we know this? Someone who has nothing to hide, hides nothing (you know, like Ted Cruz with his nativity story). Aka obama, on the other hand, hides or lies about almost everything. For example, he claimed for more than a decade via the summary bio he wrote for his publicist that he was born in Kenya (and did so consistently over the years through three versions of that bio).

So which is it, do we take him at his own word as an honest man that he indeed was born in Kenya (and not a natural born Citizen) or do we condemn him as a pathological liar and as an ineligible criminal identity fraud?

And what then about the “birth certificate” PDF that he had put up on the White House web site? You know, the one that was supposed to be a scan of his long form birth certificate that proved beyond a doubt that he was Hawaiian born? Do we believe proven liar aka obama or the thoroughly reputable Sheriff Joe Arpaio who, after a two year long professional criminal investigation, has unequivocally proven that that PDF never came from an original birth certificate and was merely a freshly fabricated digital criminal forgery that could not be a scan of an existing paper document?

Obots may feign belief, but what fool believes for a second that aka obama, in spite of his pathetic attempts to plausibly distance himself from his obvious participation in the conspiracy to defraud the American people and to pervert the letter of the law with quasi-legal loopholes and technicalities, indeed, what fool believes aka obama did not knowingly and with full criminal intent violate the spirit of the law in order to defraud the American people about his true past?


16 posted on 03/14/2014 12:23:39 AM PDT by elengr (Benghazi betrayal: rescue denied - our guys DIED - treason's the reason obama s/b tried then fried!)
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To: mandrews222

I’d say the #1 reason to dismiss all “birther” claims against Cruz

is the utter lack of concern over the origins of the current pResident.


37 posted on 03/14/2014 6:30:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: mandrews222

Excellent article.


38 posted on 03/14/2014 6:42:45 AM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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bfl


47 posted on 03/14/2014 7:57:27 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: mandrews222

Why on earth did you feel the need to drag up this stuff again?


69 posted on 03/14/2014 1:47:44 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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