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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Addressing your points:

1. We are replacing people with skills and money with immigrants with neither.

"We" aren't doing anything. "They're" running away to some place they think is "safe". If the Leftards succeed in taking us down, NOWHERE is safe. I reiterate: we ARE better off without people who have neither the stomach, nor the love of Country if it comes to a brawl.

2. What makes America unique isn’t the land. It is the Constitution and the ideas of America. Those are eroding as fast as sand on a beach - and not RINOpublican nor Demoncrat care.

Correct. But not all Republicans are RINOs and not ALL Democrats are communist pieces of sh*t. There are people here - right in YOUR hometown probably - who you can talk with, work with, get active with. The idea of Liberty crosses party lines. It's more prevalent than you think. The other side controls the communications to a degree - but YOU have a voice, and a cellphone, and a pen - and an Internet forum. DO something with it. If you're a gunny, go become an Instructor and TEACH people how to shoot, teach kids, teach women, teach the elderly. DO something with it. Sitting here feeling helpless is EXACTLY what the other side wants you to do.

".3. I imagine that Jews in Germany as Hitler took power were quite patriotic.

Yes, they probably were. "Law-abiding", too. Right up until the point where the law was used to murder them. We have history to look back on and KNOW that "NEVER AGAIN" MEANS NEVER AGAIN. If every Jewish family had a Mauser rifle and a few hundred rounds of 7.92mm ammunition - and the will to shoot the m*therf*ckers in the face when they came for them - the Holocaust would never have happened, and all those cute little SS, Gestapo, and LOCAL LEO volunteers with their snappy uniforms would find themselves suddenly without ANY desire to stare down a muzzle.

4. Most of my ancestors fled oppressive governments or religious authorities.

So did mine. Both sides. They came HERE. My family has shed blood and lost people for this Country. My old man lay in the snow in the Ardennes with a whole bunch of little holes in him, and some Wermacht Landser took ANOTHER shot at him as he lay there, and grazed him. A few months later, his older brother - one of my uncles - was busy trying to extricate himself from under a Jeep when a Japanese soldier bayonetted him (he lived) on Okinawa. My old man, my uncles, - along with tens of thousands of other American kids - did that for ME - and for you, and for every other one of us here today, so WE could have the things he had. I owe him, and them.

Your history is as an American. There IS nowhere else. MY history is American; I'm as Native as it comes. And to give it up is to spit on all that came before us. Not happening.

We've had a good life for a long time. That doesn't come without a bill. And every once in a while, that bill comes due. No generation is immune from it. It just gets put off until it can't be put off anymore. If that time is now, well, that's what God in His wisdom put YOU and me, and every other poor working slob who loves this Country here for. Every man jack and woman jackie who looks up at their flag, chokes up, and says "Thank you Lord, for making me American."

"Freedom Isn't Free"... that's not a quote that we should ever take for granted. You are ONLY as free as what you are willing to FIGHT for.

5. I believe that given the level of government control of us, the ridiculous number of laws that make us all felons....the odds of returning to a PURE Constitution of liberty is growing dim.

True that. So we give up? Nope. Glenn Beck's 9-12 Project put over a million people on the Mall in DC. The WWII Veterans Memorial episode had hundreds of thousands showing up, Patriot Riders, Truckers, men, women, ordinary folks showing up, pissed off and ready to FIGHT to get those gentlemen to see their monument one last time before they left the Earth.

So Leviathan is here... okay. Big deal. Leviathan bleeds too. If it bleeds, it can be stopped. Find what makes it bleed.

107 posted on 03/11/2014 3:34:41 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

“”We” aren’t doing anything.”

We as in Uncle Sam. It/He/We oppress Americans.

“They’re” running away to some place they think is “safe”.”

Not so. Almost all are already living great lives where they’ve chose to live, but their government back home makes the cost of being an American so great that they are forced to choose. Other countries are smart enough not to do that.

“If the Leftards succeed in taking us down, NOWHERE is safe.”

Have you looked around lately? Safe is relative. Safe is in flux historically and always has been.

Safe is where your government doesn’t get up each day trying to figure out how to make you a criminal or how to subvert your Constitutional rights, or how to seize your assets, or how to subvert your privacy, etc. Most world governments outside Europe and America are too incompetent and underfunded to do all this. Our country is feeding on high octane fuel like it’s a race.

“I reiterate: we ARE better off without people who have neither the stomach, nor the love of Country if it comes to a brawl. “

Maybe. Maybe not.

“But not all Republicans are RINOs and not ALL Democrats are communist pieces of sh*t.”

Oh, not immediately. Once they get in office they all go native.

“We have history to look back on and KNOW that “NEVER AGAIN” MEANS NEVER AGAIN. “

It will happen against a populace that cooperates.

“The WWII Veterans Memorial episode had hundreds of thousands showing up, Patriot Riders, Truckers, men, women, ordinary folks showing up, pissed off and ready to FIGHT to get those gentlemen to see their monument one last time before they left the Earth.”

Protesting is not the same as showing up to fight. Don’t kid yourself.


109 posted on 03/11/2014 3:48:08 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: NFHale
Find what makes it bleed.

Revenue.

As in taxes.

As in what most, if not all, of the people in the story were trying to avoid paying to a United States government they felt had no right to their overseas earnings. And even when they were in a mind to comply with the controlling US law, they found that the personal financial cost to them for complying with the law was excessive. So each of them made what seemed to be a very emotionally-charged decision - to "renounce" their American citizenship in order to avoid what they felt was an undue financial burden in order to comply with American tax law.

A couple of grand or so just to FILE a US tax return? Five figures just to sort out tax issues with a lawyer? You have to be kidding me. For many, that's financially prohibitive, I'd imagine.

You've done a hell of a job on this thread playing the part of the interwebs pamphleteer, Tom Paine, as have your club cronies, but I think you're (purposefully) conflating this into an issue of patriotism vs. non-patriotism. Each person in the story was deeply conflicted over renouncing their citizenship. Each person, in his or her heart, felt "American," but couldn't fiscally afford being an American overseas because of American tax law.

From where I stand, fewer tax dollars flowing to the monolithic beast that is the federal government is a good thing. The best way to kill a tumor is to cut off its blood supply.

Quit being so dramatic.

116 posted on 03/11/2014 4:30:39 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: NFHale; aMorePerfectUnion
Sorry to stick my big, fat nose in y'all's conversation, but I just wanted to add one thing to what NFHale said. It's not that the Constitution, our founding principles or our national ideals are eroding...they're not. It's that We The Sheeple have stopped believing in them, have stopped supporting and defending them, and in many cases, are embarrassed by them. All of this is happening because those of us with the means to defend America, and the knowledge and skills to teach her greatness to our countrymen, have long since stopped doing so.

I'm not talking about teaching in the formal sense, but teaching by setting an example, such as flying the flag outside our homes properly, at every opportunity. I'm talking about writing op-eds in the local paper, and calling into the local talk show, espousing the greatness of America. I'm talking about not standing idly by when you hear some hipster halfwit bashing America at the local coffee shop. Instead, jump in and bite his head off...in the sense that you loudly and publicly defend America and make the little twit look like what he is...a little twit with pipe cleaner arms and a beard that needs to be set fire to. Just don't actually do that last part.

We are the reason our fellow Americans have lost faith in our nation. We've failed them, and we've failed our forefathers. We've allowed this to happen, by just standing by and expecting others to do the heavy lifting for us. But they're not going to...we have to save this Republic ourselves. We can do it, if we get cracking right now.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

117 posted on 03/11/2014 4:50:20 PM PDT by wku man (We are the 53%! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXN0GDuLN4)
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