Ron Paul: Crimea has the right to join Russia, and U.S. sanctions would be “criminal”

Hotair ^ | 03/09/2014 | AllahPundit

[Truth29]

"The US and EU cannot have it both ways. They can’t say, for example, that the right of Albanians to self-determination in Kosovo trumps Serbia’s right to territorial integrity, and then turn around and say that Ukraine’s right to territorial integrity trumps the right of Russians in Crimea to self-determination"

Good point, but they will try. Hypocrisy knows no bounds, not to mention that the US killed a lot of Serbs and bombed the Chinese embassy. How many Ukranians have the Russians killed in the Crimean action? Wesley Clark and Bill Clinton are war criminals who got away with it.

[Theoria]

That is up to them to decide. Nor would I want Florida to become Cuba. South Florida is already on that path.

Demographics is destiny. We become America today, because of bringing people here and amassing numbers.

Countries come and go. We should enforce our immigration laws, change immigration dictates and actually secure the border.

[Delta Dawn]

Big picture time folks.

This isn’t about putin protecting Russian speaking people from being persecuted in Crimea. Putin is putting the empire back together. Forget elections. There is no such thing as a , ‘Free and fair election’, in that part of the world. There’s a better chance of a F&F election in Chicago than in Crimea.

Ronald Reagan’s greatest gift to the world was to recognize what the USSR really was, and acted accordingly. Putin is attempting to accomplish what Reagan did only in reverse.

When do we take action? When the USSR installed parliament in Poland votes to join with Russia? Paul was a young person when the USSR empire crumbled and fell apart. Maybe he doesn’t fully understand what he is up against?

They only thing left to be able to equate Putin with Hitler is the targeting of Jews. I just hope that a year from now, I don’t get sent on a business trip to Berlin of the USSR.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: The US and EU cannot have it both ways. They can’t say, for example, that the right of Albanians to self-determination in Kosovo trumps Serbia’s right to territorial integrity, and then turn around and say that Ukraine’s right to territorial integrity trumps the right of Russians in Crimea to self-determination.

Well, doesn’t this remind us of THE CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA in the 1860’s?

The question is what is Crimea compared to Dixie?

[Revolting cat!]

Putin is reassembling the Russian empire, because that is the entire history of Russia - subjugating other nations. Russia has never liberated a nation, only enslaving them, only raping, only genocide, while we look the other way and mouth off some idiotic nonsense about 'nazis'. Russia has been this way for over 1,000 years, and it ain't changing.

What if Austria or France were to start reassembling their former empires. Would be also say that it is none of our business?

(In before that's different.)

[Procyon]

The 1991 referendum in Crimea did not ask the voters about any relationship with Russia or Ukraine. It merely asked the voters to approve re establishing Crimea as an Autonomous Republic, a condition it held between 1921 through 1945 when it was downgraded to the status of an oblast. In 1954 the head of the Soviet Union transferred the oblast of Crinea from the Russian Federation to the Ukraine S.S.R. Without the consent of the Russian Federation or the Crimean people. In fact, the transfer violated the terms of the treaty which ended the Crimean War signed in 1854 in which the Ottoman Empire gave up its claim to Crimea upon the condition the Russia neither transfer sovereignty over Crimea to any other country nor permit Crimea to be establish as a sovereign state.

The Russians have been militarily present in Crimea for over two hundred years. What's changed is the fear that Ukraine will move to a closer relationship with the European Union and NATO which my jeopardize Russian access to iand use of its only ice-free naval base.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

‘swhy a Libertarian will never become president of the US.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

The vast majority of Crimeans want to be in Russia rather than under control of a new-Nazi regime in Kiev.

Except there is a sizable Tatar community, who were there long before the Russkies or Ukrainians, who don't want to join the Nazi-government in Moscow.

By the way, BS on calling the "regime in Kiev" a "regime," secondly, but, firstly, "nazi." Lay off the Alex Jones or RT nonsense.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

If the majority vote to become part of Russia, who are we to oppose them?

Yeah, because we all know that a majority vote with Comrade Ivan with his Kalashnikov counting the votes, who has already taken control over the area, is going to be a legitimate referendum.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Oh, so you think that we should start a shooting war with Russia over Ukraine?

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

The United States recognize a non-democratically-elected president and government in Ukraine, issued from a coup d'état, but won't recognize a referendum of self-determination organized in an autonomous republic with a legitimate parliment, government and Constitution.

What, are you a Paulista? So how's a non-democratically-elected government in Crimea, which is already illegally occupied by Comrade Ivan and his Kalishnikov, who are renown for stealing the vote in Moscow, a "referendum of self-determination organized in an autonomous republic"?

By the way, Crimea isn't actually all Russian. There's a sizable Tatar community who've been on the land long before even the Russians owned it. I'd like to see if, under normal circumstances, Crimea would really vote to join Comrade Putin's nazi government.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Oh, so you think that we should start a shooting war with Russia over Ukraine?

Where'd I say that, Paulistinian? Though, as a matter of fact, I'm quite confident the Russians are going to be starting a war with us, sooner or later.

[Marguerite]

[SeekAndFind]

I thought the map you showed of the USA was settled after much bloodshed was spilled....

[Sirius Lee]

There’s a better chance of a F&F election in Chicago than in Crimea.

No there's not - thus your gratuitous assertion is rendered moot.

[Zionist Conspirator]

In fact, the transfer violated the terms of the treaty which ended the Crimean War signed in 1854

I'm no expert here, but the Treaty of Paris which ended the Crimean War was actually signed in March of 1856, wasn't it?

[Marguerite]

In Crimea, a referendum on sovereignty from Ukraine is scheduled for March 16.

In Scotland, a referendum on sovereignty from Britain that was initiated by the Scottish National Party is scheduled for September 18.

In Catalonia, a referendum on sovereignty from Spain is due to be held November 9.

That’s the way people want to go.
WHO are you to tell them what to do?

[Marguerite]

That’s right.

In Crimea not a shot was fired and no one died.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: In Crimea not a shot was fired and no one died.

Not yet...

[Delta Dawn]

You made my point, thank you.