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To: TXnMA; Alamo-Girl; spirited irish; metmom; MHGinTN; Just mythoughts; xzins; rktman; P-Marlowe; ...
To preclude the conflation of them [i.e., big bang/inflationary universe cosmology and Darwinian evolution] (either through ignorance — or in deliberate attempt to confuse the issues for dogmatic purposes)....

I truly hope not to impute the second part of the above statement to dear spirited.

I also truly hope not to offend anyone by offering the following observations (but will probably manage to do so anyway, may God forgive me):

Hope springs eternal....

The YEC/sola scriptura position seems to want to dump the Revelation of the Book of Nature altogether; and by so doing, inadvertently shifts the Revelations of Christ Incarnate and the Holy Spirit with us into the shadows. The Holy Bible itself becomes the object of worship. The danger here, it seems to me, is that, without the complementing rounding-out and balancing of the other three Revelations, the sola scriptura position places one at risk of falling into a state of bibliolatry — perhaps the most subtle form of idolatry there is.

And we Christians all know that God detests idolatry of any shape or form....

Dear Brother, I am in total agreement with you that the following is the best policy:

...for clarity, (and to avoid the opprobrium attached to it) I propose that we "ONLY" use the term, "EVOLUTION" and its derivatives — when specifically discussing "BIOLOGICAL DARWINISM" and its derivatives.... And, that we use the term, "DEVELOPMENT" and its derivatives when discussing "how things — both living and cosmological — came to be as they now are."

I will try to make that my rule, going forward.

Thank you dear Brother in Christ, for your outstanding observations!

78 posted on 03/14/2014 12:51:01 PM PDT by betty boop (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. —Thomas Jefferson)
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To: betty boop
Yes, God does indeed detest idolatry. From the days of Noah up through to our own the common ground of idolatry has been worship of elements, particles, and energies. In "Against the Heathen," early Church Father Athanasius reveals that pride and haughtiness preceded pre-flood man's fall into idolatry and naturalism. A haughty spirit led them to make light of higher things, and deliberately disregarding what they knew to be true they began to seek in preference things in the lower or natural dimension. Thus they fell into worship of self, sexual pleasures and acquisition of status and things to the living God and higher things.

The truth as to evil said Athanasius,

"....is that it originates, and resides, in the perverted choice of the darkened soul" which, "materialized by forgetting God" and engrossed in lower things, "makes them into gods," and thereby "descends into a hopeless depth of delusion and superstition," whereby "they ceased to think that anything existed beyond what is seen, or that anything was good save things temporal and bodily; so turning away and forgetting that she was in the image of the good God, she no longer... sees God the Word after whose likeness she is made; but having departed from herself, imagines and feigns what is not (and then) advancing further in evil, they came to celebrate as gods the elements and the principles of which bodies are composed...." (Against the Heathen, New Advent)

Having descended into delusion and superstition they imagined they imagined that "all that exists" is a creative energy into which they could plug so as to spiritually evolve into gods upon the death of their bodies.

After the flood the Egyptians' self-created Sun-God Ra relates how he created himself, meaning spiritually evolved over vast ages from out of Nu — primordial matter:

"I came into being from primordial matter...I made all the forms under which I appeared by means of (or out of) the god-soul which I raised up out of Nu (i.e., the primeval abyss of water.) (The Long War Against God, Dr. Henry Morris, p. 243)

The pre-flood people that God washed away in the flood were evolutionary naturalists. They believed in spiritual evolution over vast ages.

According to New Age historians, the important elements of Mystery Religion Atlantis were preserved on the plains of Shinar after the flood. It was Ham, worshipped by the Greeks as Chronus, who received these elements telepathically. He in turn instructed his sons and their sons.

What has been written by me on this thread is not meant to offend, even though it obviously has. It is not in me to stand aside mutely, saying nothing when another person is heading the wrong way.

The passages below from a Kolbe Center essay entitled, “Christ the Exemplar Cause of Creation, Eliminates the Possibility of Evolution,” are an eloquent statement of where I stand unreservedly and where, if at all in my power, where I pray others will stand as well even in the face of scorn, ridicule, and rejection:

“Creation is, as it were, a book. Every creature is a sentence or a word in this book. The Author and Publisher is the Triune God. It is the task of human and angelic intelligence to read God’s thoughts from this book and co-operate with Him. The theme, the dominant idea that runs through each sentence—even each word—is the Word made Flesh, the Incarnate Word of God, Jesus Christ, because this Word says everything. This is why the Archangel says to Blessed Mary at the Incarnation, “No word will be impossible for God.” Evolution is not a word. It cannot be found in this book or in its theme. It is a fable (cf. 2Tim 4:4), a “strange doctrine” of which St. Paul warned us against so long ago.

Chardin made the bold claim that evolution “is a general condition to which all theories, all hypotheses, all systems must bow and which they must satisfy henceforth if they are to be thinkable and true.” This is patently false since no evolution is possible in Christ. Rather, his description of evolution’s supreme place fits the Christ, the Word, Truth Incarnate. It is to Him and His name that we must bow. It is “through Him and with Him and in Him” alone that all theories, all hypotheses, all systems must submit and satisfy if they are to be thinkable and true.

The true Book of Creation, Christ, predicted Chardin’s ideas in the lives of the Israelites making their way through in the desert of Sinai. King David relates in Psalm 105: “They made a calf in Horeb: and they adored the graven thing. … they changed their glory into the likeness of a calf that eateth grass…” (19-20). In making and worshipping the golden calf, these Israelites radically departed from the theme of creation’s book, the Word made flesh, by trying to write, as it were, “we are made in the image of beasts…because we came from the beasts; and we are, therefore, like the beasts. There is some equality between us.” We know the outcome. They proceeded to act like beasts, became beastly, and were destroyed.”

http://www.kolbecenter.org/christ-the-exemplar-cause-of-creation-eliminates-the-possibility-of-evolution/

79 posted on 03/14/2014 2:14:29 PM PDT by spirited irish
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