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To: Alamo-Girl
Indeed, our understanding of Scripture concerning prophecy - past and future references - is quite different. So we shall have to agree to disagree even though we can recognize each other as brother/sister in Christ. Some day all will be revealed.

At the pace things are moving in this world it won't be long to know which prophecies are unfolding.

I do not share your understanding of Satan, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, different ages, etc. but I would like to address your question here:

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil:

It is most difficult to respond to a blanket statement of disagreeing with me, and giving no indication as to what the Words of God are instructing. I just can't ignore what is Written, most especially when Christ Himself declared as Written in Mark 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

Granted He did not declare any or all the peoples to the end of this world would hear and see with understanding what this warning encompasses. But the answers must need be included given this declaration.

It does not make sense that God would claim ownership of something/someone that did not already exist?

Time, including the arrow of time (past>present>future), does not apply to God. Time is part of the Creation and not a property of, or restriction on, God the Creator of it. God alone sees all that there is all at once, every where and every when. Everything was made by Him for for Him, i.e. all things are factually His to do with as He pleases:

I do not understand how Peter's instruction on how God keeps time is a restriction on God the Creator. Especially when up until the flood those people lived nearly one day with the Lord. Genesis 6, God changed the amount of time He would allow a flesh body to live because of the fallen angels or as they are called sons of God.

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. – Revelation 4:11 The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. - Psalms 24:1 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: - Col 1:16 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. – Ezekiel 18:4 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, - Romans 9:21-23 Jesus being called “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” is an example of the arrow of time not applying to God: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. – Revelation 13:8 So also is the Book of Life: The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. – Revelation 17:8 And again: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: - Ephesians 1:4 God's Name is I AM.

This word 'foundation' is a time signature. The word foundation used in the Scriptures cited as well as other places is katabole a noun, and the verb kataballo.

http://christianovercomers.com/The_Katabole.pdf

I just did an internet search for the word katabole and the above is but one link that gives discussion upon this particular Greek word(s). Other than that I have no association with this particular link. However, I do use the Strong's so I can look for myself the original word used to find the meaning. Some words from the original can have more than one meaning and depending upon which word the translators picked can flavor a verse away from the intent. The most egregious example is where somebody used the word Easter in place of Passover. My fingers are stiff and sore so I am attempting to type as little as I possibly can.

I would point out in the Revelation 13:8 IF the meaning 'casting down / overthrow' are used instead of the word 'foundation' then the verse would read

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain, from the casting down/overthrow of the world.

And this 'him' that the whole world (except the elect) will worship is the same entity that tempted Christ, and he will be calling himself Christ.

This casting down/overthrow translated 'foundation' point to Genesis 1:2.

68 posted on 03/14/2014 1:14:19 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts; betty boop; TXnMA; MHGinTN; metmom; spirited irish
Thank you so much for sharing your views, dear Just mythoughts!

I would point out in the Revelation 13:8 IF the meaning 'casting down / overthrow' are used instead of the word 'foundation' then the verse would read

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain, from the casting down/overthrow of the world.

And this 'him' that the whole world (except the elect) will worship is the same entity that tempted Christ, and he will be calling himself Christ.

This casting down/overthrow translated 'foundation' point to Genesis 1:2.

Upon reading the above, I gathered that your interpretation of Revelation 13:8 (and its relation to Genesis) was quite unique and so followed up to read the Young's Literal Translation of the verse which agrees with the King James:

And bow before it shall all who are dwelling upon the land, whose names have not been written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world;

However, I also noted that a number of new translations read the phrase "from the foundation of the world" to apply to the word "written" rather than the Lamb in that verse, e.g. English Standard Version:

and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

But that is neither here nor there, since I Peter 1:20 makes the same point:

Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

I see no translation of the verse that agrees with yours.

So that made me wonder if you responded years ago to the survey of how Freepers understand How it will all end - and sure enough, your views there were also unique then, as compared to the other respondents. You said in 2006:

Matthew 24:3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples ask unto Him privately, saying "Tell us, when shall these thing be and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?" v4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, "Take heed that no man deceive you. v5 For many shall come in My name saying, 'I am Christ:' and shall deceived many. The rest of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 all lists the "sign" of the end of this "AGE". ---- Paul says I Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: (examples) and they are written for our admonition, (warning) upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come. So I am guessing the question "How it all Ends" is directed to the end of this flesh age. According to Paul we already have the script told to us by the prophets starting in Genesis, as Moses was surely a prophet. Christ said Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. So according to Christ, the tribulation foretold by Daniel and others assigned a 7 year time frame has been shortened.

From your responses then and now, I conclude your views of Genesis and Revelation (and points in between) are "age" oriented.

On that view of course we must agree to disagree.

I have several unique views as well and am not discouraged by their uniqueness because, after all, when Christ walked in the flesh most all the Jews - including the Apostles were expecting a conquering Lion, not a suffering Lamb. Indeed, they probably thought it had to be an either/or. But the rules of logic are part of the Creation and do not apply to the Creator of them.

Man is not the measure of God.

And, as you suggest, we will find out the truth of the matter soon enough. Indeed, I suspect we are in the beginning of events prophesied in Revelation.

Nevertheless, those of us who keep His word to the best of our understanding have nothing to fear:

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. - Revelation 3:20

Marantha, Jesus!!!

74 posted on 03/14/2014 10:05:21 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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