The Anti-Empirical Left

nationalreview.com ^ | 3/6/2014 | Victor Davis Hanson

[rktman]

"Gun safety nazis" at work. And losing.

[P-Marlowe]

Yet for the new anti-empirical Left, science becomes an ally only when refuting absurd religious theories that the Earth is 5,000 years old. Otherwise, it can prove irrelevant when it does not support pet causes.

Nobody is asserting that the world is only 5000 years old.

It is probably closer to 6000 years. :-)

[rktman]

Well since you said it, I guess that kind of scientific evidence crushes my theory of it being 7500 years old. ;>}

[Sergio]

bkmk

[xzins]

It is both 7000 AND 15 Billion or so.

This is possible due to relativity and time dilation.

[P-Marlowe]

Well since you said it, I guess that kind of scientific evidence crushes my theory of it being 7500 years old. ;>}

7500 Years? In my book that would make you an "Old Earther".

[xzins]

You might both be old earthlings.

[P-Marlowe]

I’m older than I think.

I think

[xzins]

I'm older than I think

An elderly couple had just learned how to send text messages on their cell phones. The wife was a romantic type and the husband was more of a no-nonse guy.

One afternoon the wife went out to meet a friend for coffee. She decided to send her husband a romantic text message and she wrote:

"If you are sleeping, send me your dreams. If you are laughing, send me your smile. If you are eating, send me a bite. If you are drinking, send me a sip. If you are crying, send me your tears. I love you."

The husband texted back to her:

"I'm on the toilet. Please advise."

[rktman]

Or common core math estimating. Just round up to whatever number you need.

[rktman]

Does that allow me to claim “protected class” status? ;>}

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed, dear brother in Christ!

When people speak of the age of the universe they very rarely finish their sentences.

The universe is about 15 billion years old from our space/time coordinates and it is also about an equivalent 6 days old from the inception space/time coordinates.

This is due to the big bang and inflationary theory (relativity).

[Still Thinking]

The Anti-Empirical Left

Empiricism requires both logic and an open mind. No one with logic or an open mind could possibly end up on the left. Ergo, no empiricism.

[rktman]

Mindless zombies. Not to disparage zombies of course.

[Still Thinking]

Yeah, I was gonna say!

[TXnMA]

FYI, Dear Sister in Christ, our best, current estimate of the age of the universe (measured from our [earth-based] space/time coordinates using WMAP data) is

13.77 ± 0.059 billion years...

Some researchers (using other methods) extend it to 13.82 BY -- but that is still within the tolerances given above.

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But, from the inception space-time coordinates, (God's viewpoint) it is still

Six of our Creator's "workdays"...

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed! Thank you so much for the specifics, dear brother in Christ!

[betty boop]

...our best, current estimate of the age of the universe (measured from our [earth-based] space/time coordinates using WMAP data) is 13.77 ± 0.059 billion years.... But, from the inception space-time coordinates, (God's viewpoint) it is still Six of our Creator's "workdays"....

Though this seems a paradox, it actually stands to reason, knowing what we know from solid scientific data. From the human standpoint, the former age estimate is an opportunity for a "lookback," specifically back to the divine origin — and as you have found, there is an extraordinarily interesting history of how God's Creation evolved from that "in the beginning." Yet whichever age you believe, both are premised in an "ex nihilo" creation. Time began, and before that, there was no time; space began, and before that, there was no space.

Surely every Christian knows that what God sees, and what humans see, can never be the same. Yet He rules over all Creation, from Alpha to Omega and every when and where in between, according to His Logos — His Word of the Beginning. In scientific language, this is called "the Singularity."

Thank you ever so much, dear brother In Christ, for taking an opportunity to help us understand what relativistic time is here.

[TXnMA]

"Yet whichever age you believe, both are premised in an "ex nihilo" creation."

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My main point, Dear Sister in Christ, is that I believe both expressions of that timespan!

There is nothing in my scientific training or in Scripture that dictates that I should do otherwise...

[TXnMA]

Ooops! left off the rest of the addressees to my #19....