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To: A_perfect_lady

I don’t want to distract you from the initial point.

To answer your question, historically the concept of individualism has been juxtaposed with that of collectivism. But I think the correct analysis is more complex than simply that Marxist ideology favors collectivism while its primary opponent—American conservatism—favors individualism.

First let me say, collectivism amounts to mob rule and is a treasured tool of tyrants.

The way I see it, individualism can also be overemphasized. That is, absolute autonomy of the individual would essentially lead to a form of psychosis.

American conservatism is based on the idea that individuals possess sovereign rights—the sovereign part means that the group cannot legitimately violate those rights merely for its own interests. The foundation of our society also includes reliance on particular aspects of community, such as church groups, political entities and the military. This intricate balance between group and individual is the basis for the American political system, and it is what the leftists are trying to overthrow.


85 posted on 03/08/2014 6:14:49 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: reasonisfaith
American conservatism is based on the idea that individuals possess sovereign rights—the sovereign part means that the group cannot legitimately violate those rights merely for its own interests.

I see. But it isn't the Bible that outlines this concept, it's the Constitution.

Of course, you'll say that the Constitution does not grant these rights, merely outlines them and then claims they come from God.

Then I'll say they don't prove it comes from God.

Then you'll say that I cannot prove they come from anywhere else and that any attempt will be subjective rather than objective.

Then I'll say that claiming they come from an outside source isn't really being objective, it's simply drawing a line in the sand beyond which one refuses to argue.

Then you'll say that it accomplishes the same purpose, whereas subjectivity cannot.

Then I'll say that what it really boils down to is not how well you can justify your rights but how well you can back them up by a show of force, since our rights have been steadily eroded by Leftists for decades now, and claiming they come from God hasn't stopped this process...

I don't remember what happens after this part.

86 posted on 03/08/2014 7:05:39 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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