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1 posted on 02/27/2014 3:17:22 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Copernicus and Galileo had to go against the scientific consensus of their time. I still remember Dr. Sagan’s exposition about Giordano Bruno.


2 posted on 02/27/2014 3:31:21 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: neverdem

Too many big words for any warmest to absorb.


3 posted on 02/27/2014 3:38:33 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: neverdem

Too many big words for any warmist to absorb. (Corrected)


4 posted on 02/27/2014 3:39:06 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: neverdem

Just like everything else, science has been ruined by government.


5 posted on 02/27/2014 3:51:10 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: neverdem

Sagan was a Big Science mouthpiece who filtered the correct party line to the proletariat. His extraterrestrial life fantasies fueled the SETI sinkhole, his “super greenhouse” theory was instantly debunked and his execrable treatment of Immanuel Velikovsky is voluminously documented in Charles Ginenthal’s “Carl Sagan and Immanuel Velikovsky” available on Amazon.

From an Amazon review:

“This book is a blow-by-blow account of how Carl Sagan systematically misrepresented Velikovsky, and used the full weight of his reputation and position within the establishment to complete the work of suppression begun over two decades earlier by Harlow Shapley and Cecilia Payne-Gaposchkin. The sheer hypocrisy, dishonesty and self-regard of Sagan is brutally exposed for all the world to see. Unfortunately, for Sagan fans and true believers, the book will be so unpalatible that they might not get beyond the first few pages. Indeed, I would venture to suggest that almost none of the critics of this book, who have here given it a one-star rating on Amazon, have actually read it. The very act of reading it would dispel all notions one might have had of Sagan’s nobility and intellectual honesty. He was a fraud and, in some respects at least, a bully. He was also a very poor scientist, as Ginenthal demonstrates in literraly dozens of ways.
The detail into which Ginenthal has gone over each and every point raised by Sagan is phenomenal, as is his understanding of the problems and his mastery of the technical terms and concepts involved. Quite simply, as a previous reviewer remarked, Ginenthal has done the research that Sagan couldn’t be bothered to do.”


6 posted on 02/27/2014 3:54:34 PM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: neverdem
Pretty basic: get rid of our industrial civilization and we all starve to death. Tweak it a little and life becomes uncomfortable. Tweak it a lot and life gets very uncomfortable.

How many people have enough land to grow enough crops to feed their family? Plus all of the other natural resources to survive like wood or coal for the fireplace, etc. All of these resources and methods are slowly getting regulated out of existence. For example, try buying a new house with a fireplace. Apparently, most wood stoves are illegal now, too. So returning to the lifestyles of our grandparent and great grandparents, which was not an easy one, is not possible.

7 posted on 02/27/2014 4:00:57 PM PST by dhs12345
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This is the original sin of the global warming theory: that it was founded in a presumption of guilt against industrial civilization. All of the billions of dollars in government research funding and the entire cultural establishment that has been built up around global warming were founded on the presumption that we already knew the conclusion—we’re “ravaging the planet”—and we’re only interested in evidence that supports that conclusion.

Looks to me like we do a lot more neglecting than ravaging, but the consequences can be just as bad.

8 posted on 02/27/2014 4:20:31 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us three choices: Defeat them utterly, die, or surrender to a life of slavery.)
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To: neverdem

Bookmarking for later reading.


9 posted on 02/27/2014 4:33:55 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: neverdem
[Art.] For this heresy, he had his funding specifically cut off by the Danish government and has had to move into a kind of voluntary exile in Prague.

This is how Leftists like to play -- demonize people, and then go after their ability to make a living. That's just this side of show trials and firing squads.

10 posted on 02/27/2014 4:48:00 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: neverdem
That’s a lesson I learned from Carl Sagan, and while he had some role in launching the current global warming orthodoxy, I suspect he would be appalled at the unscientific fanaticism with which it is now enforced.

He must be kidding. Sagan was first and foremost a doctrinaire Leftist. (He knew where his money came from.)

If it were possible to show Sagan a simple quadrant equation that showed that the idea of man-made global warming was impossible, Sagan would have been in favor of sending you to some death camp. As I said, he knew where his money came from, and he didn't really give a crap about facts.

He was totally wedded to and totally beholding to the Scientific-Government Complex that Eisenhower warned about in 1961.

We are having a bad winter this year, nearly as bad as we had in the late 70s when all the leftists were saying we were entering a new Ice Age. Now, they blame the same winter on warming. But both times, their blame was on us, and their solution was always more government spending, more taxes and less freedom.

The will sing either song as long as it gets them more money and power.

11 posted on 02/27/2014 6:11:10 PM PST by Ditto
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Michael Crichton on "consensus" and science:

In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus. There is no such thing as consensus science. If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it’s science, it isn’t consensus. Period.

12 posted on 02/27/2014 6:22:17 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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There was even a (now-deceased) hard-core lefty, Alexander Cockburn, who was rational enough to ask "Is Global Warming a Sin?.

His closing two paragraphs:

Water covers 71 per cent of the surface of the planet. As compared to the atmosphere, there’s at least a hundred times more CO2 in the oceans, dissolved as carbonate. As the postglacial thaw progresses the oceans warm up, and some of the dissolved carbon emits into the atmosphere, just like fizz in soda water taken out of the fridge. "So the greenhouse global warming theory has it ass backwards," Hertzberg concludes. "It is the warming of the earth that is causing the increase of carbon dioxide and not the reverse." He has recently had vivid confirmation of that conclusion. Several new papers show that for the last three quarter million years CO2 changes always lag global temperatures by 800 to 2,600 years.

It looks like Poseidon should go hunting for carbon credits. Trouble is, the human carbon footprint is of zero consequence amid these huge forces and volumes, and that’s not even to mention the role of the giant reactor beneath our feet: the earth’s increasingly hot molten core.


13 posted on 02/27/2014 6:28:02 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: neverdem

“As I observed in the Mann vs. Steyn case, if it is a sin to doubt, then there is no science.”

For the past forty years, Obama’s Science Czar has been beating the drum about “the population bomb” causing mass starvation. But the doubters paid no attention to this jerk, and before he could turn people into Soylent Green, our agronomists were developing disease resistant crops. By the late 1960’s third world starvation was becoming a thing of the past.


18 posted on 02/27/2014 11:52:14 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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