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To: lurk; SkyPilot; Vigilanteman; dalereed; familyop; morphing libertarian; All
Now, that would be absolutely secure, eh?

The chip-and-pin system is, certainly, an advancement over magnetic strip cards (which are easier to "skim") but in the case of Target and Neiman Marcus and other retailers, the breach of security had nothing to do with physical cards' security features.

People who understand little about card-payment technology simply use this incident to again glom onto the usual "Others (Europeans?) do it better" and old and tired "American banks and credit card companies just don't want to spend money on security because it's cheaper for them to absorb the costs of fraud" laments.

Actually, the magnetic strip cards hold minimal amount of information, so while it's easier to manufacture a forged one, it's also easier to cancel and replace without criminals getting too much of your personal info.

The problem with this particular security breach is that it happened on the back-end of payment processing, using an old (at least, since before 2007) vulnerability that likely has not been patched up by certain payment processors, despite warnings from Visa and security experts.

From What the Heck Is a RAM Scraper? - Re/code, by Arik Hesseldahl, 2014 January 13

As can be seen, the US companies are not alone in being attacked by this method, because vulnerability has nothing to do with magnetic strips or other physical cards' properties.

Chip-and-pin wouldn't protect from this attack, it could only help making it more difficult to counterfeit the physical card, which is mostly a waste of time, anyway - much less important than the identity info on the payment processors' servers.

30 posted on 02/03/2014 11:38:17 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy
The chip-and-pin system is, certainly, an advancement over magnetic strip cards (which are easier to "skim") but in the case of Target and Neiman Marcus and other retailers, the breach of security had nothing to do with physical cards' security features.

I'll even bet that most of these so called HACKING incidences are merely INSIDE jobs.

Not very many men (or women) have the virtue to resist the highest bidder.

31 posted on 02/04/2014 3:30:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CutePuppy

Great information. Thanks.


34 posted on 02/04/2014 12:19:00 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: CutePuppy
As can be seen, the US companies are not alone in being attacked by this method, because vulnerability has nothing to do with magnetic strips or other physical cards' properties.

In a properly-designed smartcard-based system, the merchant's computer should request from the card issuer a random security token, and should never--even for a microsecond--hold enough information to perform a transaction not associated with that token. The card issuer would know that the token was issued to the merchant, and could require that any money taken from the card using it must go to an account associated with the merchant.

Ideally, credit-card-entry terminals would be constructed in such a way that a plugged-in smart card would get first "dibs" at keyboard data, nothing else could see it unless the smart card passed it along, and no change to such behavior would be possible without physically compromising the card entry terminal. In such a design, no remotely-programmable machine would ever see a customer's PIN, and thus even attack code with full access to ram-scrape all reprogrammable devices would not gain access to it.

Given the extent to which financial institutions have failed to achieve the level of security which would be possible even with simple magnetic stripe cards, and checks, I wouldn't expect them to implement the best possible smart-card system; nonetheless, a well-designed smart-card system could be made much more secure than would be possible without smart cards.

35 posted on 02/04/2014 4:03:28 PM PST by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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