Posted on 01/23/2014 12:59:18 PM PST by Jacquerie
I have already emailed them that a convention of states is a terrible idea and to forget about it.
Yes because “asserting your 10th amendment rights” has worked so well...
Again, I have asked before and I’m not trying to be an a$$... PLEASE offer a WORKABLE solution...
The UNIPARTY in DC doesn’t care for us IN THE LEAST. The Founders wouldn’t have included Article V if they didn’t think we would need it one day. Based on some of my personal research, I don’t know if the original Constitution would have been ratified without it...
The workable solution is the 10th ammendment and its already being asserted by many states around the country on a myriad of issues. As the situation gets worse it will escalate.
5.56mm
There is no point in arguing this... DC will IGNORE “states rights” just like they do EVERYTHING else...
SR 736 is tomorrow... I am hoping to be there to offer my support... my rep KNOWS how I feel...
I would hope you could provide links to the other states asserting their rights. Because we need to attack the UNIPARTY on as many fronts as possible...
thank you Publius
The Federal govt in reality is very weak. It relies on the fact that the states are addicted to Federal dollars and will not rise up and put a stake in its heart. In fact the Feds live in constant fear it will happen.
One approach could be to do what the original constitutional convention did in 1787, and go into executive session.
Granted, with today's MSM, the convention would be under extreme pressure to keep its deliberations open and on C-SPAN, but they should go into executive session and keep detailed daily records, under the threat of expulsion if a delegate were to divulge anything to the media.
Would underminers still be feeding secret transcripts to liberal leaders? Probably.
Would it be possible to sequester the delegates until the convention is completed? Probably not.
But the public-at-large would not be getting their news piecemeal from the biased MSM, with their daily spins on how bad this is. The public would get it all at once, and then the action would move to the individual state ratifying conventions, where their own internal debates would occur. Those state debates would likely be in public.
-PJ
Again, you don't get amendments. You get amendment proposals.
If you've been a constant reader of these threads, then you know this by now.
-PJ
Remind me how weak the Federal Govt is when they use the IRS to target Tea-Party and other conservative groups... Remind me when the NSA monitors us AT WILL... Remind me when the Defense authorization was passed to suspend habius corpus and hold US citizens indefinitely...
I’m sure they are fearful of GA citizens...
It could, certainly.
But before it gets to that point, a repeal of 2A first has to pass a majority of the convention to get proposed as an amendment, and then it has to pass the legislatures of 38 states to become an amendment to the Constitution.
Are you ready to have a serious discussion on the likelihood of this happening, given that Obama couldn't even get gun control legislation passed in the Senate after Sandy Hook?
It seems to me that people are tossing out bogeymen arguments that on their own merits don't pass the reasonableness test. People are only here to scare.
-PJ
Proposals are the first outcome, but then they can go on and become constitutional amendments. I just hesitate to begin such a process until we have better control over things.
Another thing I didn’t mention earlier is that when “conservatives” get together in conclave, they tend to break into groups. The political manipulators have used that tendency again and again to derail conservatives by splitting them.
And if anyone can get the approval of 3/4 of the states, at the moment it’s probably the vote cheaters. The Democrats have massive cheating going on at the state and local level, and they would certainly pull out all the stops—with Eric Holder and the liberal judges approving their every move.
I sympathize, but I just think it’s too dangerous at the moment.
Is that the high bar now for interpreting something that has been in the Constitution since its beginning?
Electing Senators was an "untried process" when it was proposed and ratified in 1913, and yet people didn't fear that.
Here are some other "untried processes" in the Constitution that maybe should be tried once or twice.
Let's see Congress use its power to restructure the lower courts. There are too many rogue liberal judges out there who are overturning the will of the People if the People don't comply with the liberal agenda.
Article III Section 1: The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.
The Vice-President can get the Congress to create an independent body of people who will sign a declaration that the President is incapable, and then the Vice-President can take over? So Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Joe Biden could have conspired to create a body made up of newspaper editors and TV journalists to declare Obama ousted and replaced by Biden?
25th Amendment Section 3: Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
I'm just having fun with the Constitution...
-PJ
More links:
A Summary of Mark Levin’s Proposed Amendments by Jacquerie
Mark Levin, Constitution Article V, and the Liberty Amendments
Article V Project to Restore Liberty
Three hour video of C-Span interview with Mark Levin
Convention of States - Alabama Way to go Alabama!
Rep. Bill Taylor introduces a Convention of States
Mark Levin Article V, Liberty Amendments youtube video hub
Friends of Article V Convention Links
Article V Handbook - for State Legislators
State Legislators Article V Caucus
Send this list of links to your State Representatives and Senators: Contact your State Legislators.
Let’s all work together to get this going.
The Federal Government is broken. It’s the Article V process or Revolution. It’s your call America.
The moments are passing by quicker and quicker...
The states who control the legislatures control the way it is setup and the rules for the delegates...
Check out the link to the Indiana COS.
Many of the later amendments have expiration dates on them, declaring the amendment null if not ratified in 7 years. It's possible to insert these "poison pills" in liberal amendments and then let them die in ratification if they make it out of the convention.
Another thing I didn’t mention earlier is that when “conservatives” get together in conclave, they tend to break into groups. The political manipulators have used that tendency again and again to derail conservatives by splitting them.
The Delphi Technique might be useful at the local level to get citizens who attend public hearings to split their voice, but I doubt that it would work at a Convention. The delegates and leaders would not be allowed to resort to using these kinds of facilitation techniques. They would probably follow Roberts Rules of Order.
And if anyone can get the approval of 3/4 of the states, at the moment it’s probably the vote cheaters. The Democrats have massive cheating going on at the state and local level, and they would certainly pull out all the stops—with Eric Holder and the liberal judges approving their every move.
It's not clear that the ratification method would be popular voting. It would likely be by legislative vote.
-PJ
If you go back to Post #45, you'll see that Congress would decide whether the states would ratify by the state legislature method or the state ratifying convention method. It's the decision of Congress.
My guess? Amendments coming out of an Amendments Convention would be aimed at trimming the power of the federal government, which would go against the wishes of the Democratic and Republican wings of the Uniparty. To slow down or stop the ratification effort, I think Congress will specify state ratifying conventions. This way they can use scare tactics to get "no" votes from the people. State legislators would easily see through these techniques.
Thanks Art...
Here is Madison in Federalist #43 (Number 8)
http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/fed43.htm
and
Hamilton in Federalist #85
http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/fed85.htm
to add to the discussion...
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