Posted on 01/04/2014 11:11:27 PM PST by grundle
Most ignorant statement on this thread. I grew up with an attention problem ... still have it. My dad could have beat me to a pulp (and did at times) and it wouldn't have changed a thing. And as has been mentioned already on here, it's not always about behavior .... it's about an inability to stay focused. I was not a disruptive kid ... pretty mild mannered, actually. I simply had problems making the good grades for lack of focus.
Can’t explain it. Is it our foods? Is it something else? Who knows? But you can’t tell me it doesn’t exist ... I’ve experienced it first hand. And the medications available have come a long way since that Ritalin crap was used.
There is a clinical test for ADHD. Most of the country doesn’t use it - they use the behavioral/observational diagnosis.
The clinical diagnosis has shown that at least 50% of behavioral diagnoses are wrong.
This article is a simple collection of anecdotal evidence - which proves absolutely nothing. It does serve to illustrate the over diagnosis inherent in the behavioral approach.
LOL. I have two sons, both adopted and both with very complex neurological issues. My older son is quite gifted verbally and the younger has very marked auditory processing and verbal issues.
As young boys they would get into disagreements. The older son would run verbal circles around his younger brother. The younger couldn’t defend his position verbally: he didn’t stand a chance. Eventually he would become frustrated and just haul off and deck his older sibling.
That usually ended the disagreement.
The older boy flees environmental stimulation. He couldn’t go into a school cafeteria because the cacophony of sounds would cause him to curl up in a ball. Public restrooms were a terror. I would go in and make sure they were empty, let him come in and do his business, let him exit, then I would flush the toilet for him. The sounds echoing off the tiles walls were terrifying.
The younger boy is the opposite. The more chaos and racket the better. So he tries to create that environment at home. TV blaring while the stereo and computers are running. Stir the dogs into a frenzy on top of that. And get your brother yelling, too.
That’s where a lot of the arguments started.
I can explain it easily enough. DISCIPLINE and the KNOWLEDGE the student is responsible and accountable for all their behavior.
It worked before and it will work again. Get the F’n lawyers, hand wringers and bed wetters OUT of the classroom and make these children (and their parents) understand from day ONE in the school systems that bad behavior will NOT be tolerated.
My momma fed us chocolate gravy on bread, then turned us lose on the schools.
Other kids showed no interest in learning because they thought the only work out there was to be a dirt poor farmer like their dads. They were too poor to leave the area.
In one school the class was Literature, then English. Got pulled out and soon at a new school where the semesters were reversed. English, then Literature.
Got two doses of Lit, no English at all.
Same for Math and other classes. If you fell behind by being sick, you were left behind and never could catch up.
Wonder how I ever graduated! But I did learn a love of literature and history.
Years later, on my own, I caught up with Math and algebra, science and by my own study, electrical engineering.
Once again ... it’s not just about bad behavior. I was not a behavior problem in my youth ... just couldn’t focus. And I see that same thing in today’s classrooms too ... and in my own kids. My wife is a teacher and has some really good kids in her class. Some focus fine, others don’t. She does not push parents to have them checked for ADHD, in fact that is against the law. And my kids are good kids ... never any behavior issues at school. High marks in that category even. But their inability to stay focused does cause them some problems.
Bad behavior is bad behavior ... not ADHD.
Thank you for that. Just sent it to my daughter. The first half of that story is my now 6 yr old grandsons first 4 yrs.
Finally at 4 she found a doctor who would treat him. For some reason they don’t want to diagnose the ailment and treat it before 5 yrs. Poor little guy and everyone else was totally miserable.
You are welcome...
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Is chocolate gravy a New Mexican thing? People look at me like Im an idiot when I even mention it.
Childhood nectar!
Don’t you love it? You aren’t spanking him hard enough! Why don’t you turn off the TV? Obviously his father is out of the picture!
I love online diagnoses. While there are many parents looking for a quick fix instead of actually being parents, what my family is experiencing has nothing to do with the ignorant statements I’ve listed above. We are learning to be amazed at what our son’s ADHD brings to our family in the form of his genius imagination. There are definitely frustrating times, and I have to remind myself often that our son processes things differently. I’m looking forward to great things from him.
ADD / ADHD rates also skyrocketed when schools started getting rid of recess and limiting physical activity in PE.
Yeah hubby takes niacin. Just had never heard of it being used for ODD, ADHD, and Bipolar.
ADHD is a good scapegoat when adults claim this and aren’t willing to face what the real problem is.
Molé negro, as I recall. Don’t know if really traditionally Mexican though.
Special Education doesn’t mean a child is dumb. It means they need help in some way. It might be physical or occupational therapy. I know lots of former Special Education students who are very sucessful adults including college grads. Special Education in the 60’s, 70’s, & 80’s was not a day care. But rather there were teachers who had a gift to help students most teachers in regular classrooms simply do not have. Mainstraming was a cruel HOAX.
Special ed today is a joke. It is a babysitting service and the teachers pawn off the students in the name of mainstreaming in an effort to lessen their class loads. At the same time the regular ed teachers aren’t trained to deal with this (because they’re not spec ed teachers) and the students fall behind. In my school, most of the special ed students are low income whose parents were special ed. They don’t care as long as their kids get free breakfasts and lunches.
What you are describing sounds more like C.A.P.D. and not ADD or ADD/ADHD. CAPD relates to what you read and hear and to how it is processed. Skipping lines or paragraphs reading is part of it.
The sooner you can get her on allergy shots the less the damage done. I have to take both the shots and antihistamines.
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