Posted on 12/22/2013 6:21:52 PM PST by SkyPilot
Yes Ryan is finished. Needs to go home. He is now despised real bad and he is a quick channel change by real Americans. He is a “pod Person” in “invasion of the body snatchers” FINISHED!!
Nothing Paul Ryan does will ever convince me he is worthy of my trust or respect again. Of course, I feel the same way about my senators, John McCain and Jeff McFlake.
We both know some hard cuts need to be made if we want to bring the federal government back to anything remotely approximating its constitutional authority. That’s not what was done with the budget deal. The Republican Party threw military retirees on top of the pile...and then proceeded to get nothing else in return for our sacrifice.
I know some FReepers think all people receiving government checks are moochers, but there are clear distinctions to me. Military retirees were promised and earned their benefits the hard way.
I don’t want to demean other government employees, but I think there’s something different between a military member who deploys to hostile fire zones and a civilian government employee who sits safe and secure behind a desk. Again, I’m not trying to demean civil servants, because some of them also deploy alongside the active duty. What I’m saying is there are different levels of sacrifice. Civil servants and military members both work for their promised benefits.
Then you have the elderly. These folks may contribute to Social Security for 40 or 50 years before receiving benefits. They may get more than they pay in, but that’s a different matter. My point is that they contribute something for the benefits they were promised and receive.
Finally, you have many millions of people who are literally getting something for nothing. They didn’t serve their fellow citizens. They sacrificed nothing, but they get their government payola, in many cases receiving as much if not more than military retirees!
When it comes down to what gets cut—and the federal government most definitely needs to be cut—forgive me if I think those folks who haven’t served in the military, worked for government, or contributed to their entitlements should be the first ones cut.
And that is what irks me the most about Representative Ryan’s budget deal. He put the ones who sacrificed the most for this country on the negotiating table first. Even worse, he made absolutely zero impact on any of the other things that needed to be cut. In other words, he gave up his strongest trump card in return for nothing.
I'm an American, Citizen, I've served, and I'm willing to sacrifice. I'll be at the front of the line when they call for across the board cuts for everyone and everything in the federal budget. 10% across the board for every agency, every project, every person, every foodstamp, every pencil, every paper clip....I'm there with you. It's for the country, and we're all pulling together, and I'm there.
But this wasn't that. This was getting the most political mileage from the easiest place to cut to appease liberaldom and not touch their clientele.
In short, this was betrayal.
Culberson voted for the bill, and just sent me an email begging for money because he’s going to have a challenger next year.
It is long past time for term limits for all of these SOB’s
fixed it ...
This piece of crap (John Culberson) voted FOR the “Bipartisan Budget Bill” that is screwing our military retirees.
http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/113/house/1/640
He thus exposed himself as NOT belonging to the hardcore of our Tea Party representatives. He’s now feeling the “backlash” from his betrayal and is running scared. He needs to be successfully primaried because he will no doubt betray us again in the future whenever the GOPe/Ruling Elite need his vote.
Don’t let him fool you with this, at best, half measure to undo only SOME of the harm HE did to our veterans. He’s has joined Paul Ryan on my list of weasels in the House.
Cut your own benefits and salary Ryan.
If we ever get substantial cuts, across the board ones are most probable, because politicians won’t want to do what Representative Ryan just did (piss off a voting block). However, I think certain groups, like military retirees or the elderly (for the reasons I expressed in my other post), really should be cut last. Why should a military retiree, for example, who actually sacrificed their own liberty for at least two decades in order to protect the liberty of others be treated the same as a welfare mom? Nevertheless, very, very few politicians would likely to cut the freeloaders first.
Frankly, I’d be surprised if we ever get substantial cuts of any type short of an economic collapse.
As a military retiree, I certainly agree with you that retirees shouldn’t be the first in line to get cut.
With social security, I’ll agree for the most part. Some, however, who receive social security didn’t make the payments but are getting the money anyway. I don’t know how big that group is, but I’d treat them differently.
It's easy. The lobbyists and internationalists have whispered in his ear. Just like they're whispering in Boehner, Cantor, etc. Republican's ears to pass amnesty and gun control.
The Republican Party is bought and paid for and were given orders to fall on their swords so the Dems can have total control of the government as they did in the first 2 years of Soetoro's reign.
It's the atrocious foreign aid going to (Muslim) dictators and regimes, "green" energy boondoggles, money for art and progressive causes, and corporate welfare.
Yes. That’s part of the problem with Social Security. Our politicians have expanded the program to cover great numbers of people who have never paid into it.
Getting back to the point of the article, how could Representative Ryan conclude that military retirees needed to be sacrificed FIRST in his grand budget bargain? That’s what sticks in my craw. The government is spending something like 1/3 more than it takes in, and of all the things Republicans could have cut, they gave us military retirees up first!
Again, we both agree that cuts are necessary and are willing to share the pain as part of a much larger government rollback. That’s not what this budget deal was—not by a long shot.
You’re WRONG! Nancy Pelosi claims there’s not a dime to cut anywhere. Are you seriously going to claim you know more than Representative Pelosi?
...uh...extreme sarcasm...
I know it isn't close to retirees most important contribution, but even if looked at as political constituency, the Republicans gave the shaft to one of their most faithful voting blocs. The democrats refused to give up any of theirs. None.
And the GOP put it to military retirees who have voted overwhelmingly GOP for decades.
You've just got to wonder what makes these guys tick. They gained not a damn thing for it: not lower spending, not greater defense, not balanced budget. Nothing.
The facts keep trying to convince me that the GOP is not on my side, and I've finally decided to accept the facts. The GOP is my enemy.
Paul Ryan may have been a closet supporter of Joe Biden. He actually makes Mittens Romney look better.
Understandable why he is sponsoring an amendment. Just more CYA.
The Democrats would not budge on "their" constituents who definintely needed to be cut first: illegal aliens bilking the taxpayers for Billions in illegitimate Child Tax refunds, Social Security Disability scammers, Food Stamp EBT card swipers (all 49 Million of them), and the rest.
Ryan is a bastard - he threw those who have given the most for this nation into the shredder.
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